KBP5160 Bodyguard assessment regarding reliable firing pin....anyone interested?

1917-1911M

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Say guys. Don't post here often, too busy at a couple of other Forums but I had a fellow BG owner PM the other day regarding problems with his pistol, specifically light strikes. His original pistol went back to S&W three times for repair. No joy. So they sent him a new BG, same problem. Now he has purchased a third and again no joy. Light strikes. He has put in the Galloway products...again no luck. So, he was looking at my posts here and there and PM'd me for help. As it happens I have a BG and while I only have 700 rounds of various ammo through it I've not encountered one problem.....although, and let me make this clear...I rarely leave any pistol alone. I have to take them apart to check out the fire control linkage, see how they work, make sure everything is smooth, etc.

I recently sold a 373 series LCP that I fired over 4,000 times with stock parts. Not one failure ever, not one misfire, jam or take down pin ejection. But, I always find it a bit irritating when I have a question and some guy comes on saying, you're limp wristing, etc. No I'm not, your pistol might be running 100% but mine isn't. :D So, I'm not one of those. I'm the P22 bible author and active in regards to several pistols.

Back to the fellow shooter with problems. We began with the barrel, slide and progressed through the fire control components. We haven't solved it yet but I haven't given up. Odd that he is having the same problem with three BGs.

The point of this thread is that I have a BG that is working fine and have been sending very good pictures to the other owner with micrometer measurements of many of the parts of the pistol in an effort to resolve this. I also have contacts at S&W and will be questioning them. First I wanted to know if anyone here was interested in this type of information? I will say that I asked for spare parts for my pistol and tried to lower the trigger pull to match the LCP. I bought a new LCP when I sold my 373 series. The new LPC had a trigger pull of 7.5 lbs as I recall, my old one with 4,000+ rounds had dropped to 6.5 lbs but was still reliable. Bought both pistols the same day, same price with an extra mag thrown in .... $300 ea. Sister grabbed my LPC though before I even had a chance to fire it, said she needed practice and that is the last I've seen of that one. :eek:

The only experiment with the new BG was to flat grind the mainspring a bit at a time, install, use Lyman Digital trigger pull until I reached 7.5 lbs. Oops, should have been testing as I dropped pull. 7.5 lbs will fire about 70% of the rounds tried. Others require a second hammer drop and some four or five drops to fire the round. Original spring back in and back to 100%.

I will be glad to add pictures, micro measurements, etc. so some of you can compare your pistol's components to one that so far is 100% reliable. Perhaps we can get to the bottom of this. M1911

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I try to make sure my pictures are well lighted and in focus.
 
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I sure hope you can help him. He has truly tried with all the returns and now the replacement pistol is giving him similar problems. When he told me he was working with someone over on one of the other forums that you two were conversing back and forth, I was hoping that someone was you! I am sure he is in good hands and you will help him get to the bottom of the problem! Good luck! - Rick
 
Uh oh! My cover has been blown! I have been seeking help outside this forum. :o

Seriously, 1917-1911M has been a great help with this mystery, and I have been learning a lot, and having fun in the process. The situation with this (these) gun(s) has progressed from being a nuisance to an obsession. The BG is my great white whale!

My hope is that we finally solve The Great BG380 FTFire Mystery, and can post some information to help others with the same issue.

We'll keep you posted.

David
 
It was probably the best move you have made! I'm glad 1917-1911M was willing to help! I have been reading his posts on problems he has taken on with the LCP and when he purchased a Bodyguard, I knew it was only a matter of time before he would be taking it apart in a quest to make it better! After all, he can't be working on his new LCP any more as his sister has confiscated that bad boy! Anyway, good luck. I hope you both can turn your "obsession" into something you can start enjoying. I am sure you will learn a lot in the process too! - Rick
 
Uh oh! My cover has been blown! I have been seeking help outside this forum. :o

Seriously, 1917-1911M has been a great help with this mystery, and I have been learning a lot, and having fun in the process. The situation with this (these) gun(s) has progressed from being a nuisance to an obsession. The BG is my great white whale!

My hope is that we finally solve The Great BG380 FTFire Mystery, and can post some information to help others with the same issue.

We'll keep you posted.

David

David - Any updates as to progress on the Bodyguard? Sometimes, no news is good news! Let's hope that is the case here! Let us know! Thanks - Rick
 
New to Forum with a New BG380 w/ Laser - Following db4570 & 1917-1911M

Hello db4570 and 1917-1911M. I have been reading your posts about the struggles with db's BGuards. I have had mine about 4 weeks (bought new) and have run 700 rounds through it. This is mostly Fiocchi FMJ, some Winchester WB FMJ, 2 boxes Sellier & Bellot FMJ, Precision One JHP w/ XTP bullet, and some Fiocchi JHP w/ XTP bullet. I have 4 mags .... all S&W. Some of my problems are:

FTFire - intermittent with all ammo
FTFeed - "seems" like it depends a lot on which magazine I use - mostly cartridge jammed into feedramp, but sometimes cartridge doesn't get push enough to get all the way into the chamber.
Slide does not lock back on last round - depends a lot on which mag I'm using.

Gun definitely runs better on any ammo when clean .... I have not sent it back to factory yet. My opinion is that this is one dangerous gun for SD in its present state. About ready to chuck it and go to something else. Anyway, I will be reading what you guys post for any advice and guidance I can get. I do have one question .... have you had any experience with the MagGuts? I am not interested in the extra round capacity necessarily .... just thinking it might help cure the lock slide back issue. Thanks.

ktrigger74
 
I can't see how something that seems so simple can apparently elude a company with S&W's expertise. I sent them my pistol, which was reliable only with Remington FMJs, and to my surprise they returned it worse than it was. :(

My pistol feeds, extracts and ejects just fine with every type of ammo I have tried in it. How hard can it be to make it go bang reliably? :confused:
 
I started a lengthy update here:

http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/444665-bodyguard-380-finally-reliable.html

But I may have to retract it. If you have the patience to read through the whole thread, you'll see why.

One thing I have learned after sending three BG380s back to S&W a total of seven times between them: If the gun had a feeding or lock-back problem, these issues were always fixed perfectly. The FTFire seems to be the only issue that eludes them. So what I suggest is to definitely send it back, and I would bet it will feed and operate reliably.

The FTFire is another issue. I thought their new firing pin design was the answer, but as you'll see from the other thread, I'm not so sure now.

It's free and really easy to send back, so why not? Ask them for the new firing pin to be installed, and see what happens.

David
 

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