Keltec p11

[steven0150]

I know this isn't an m&p but my friend is selling one with 350 rounds for 450. To much, I was thinking 300-350. Should I?

 

[fbcmrjrtykr]

You don't say what type of ammo or how old the gun I'd but I've seen those guns go for $275 or less. Hard for me to get to $450.


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[snakeye]

I know this isn't an m&p but my friend is selling one with 350 rounds for 450. To much, I was thinking 300-350. Should I?

Your right....this should be in the Firearms & Knives - Other Brands

 

[Tinn-Can]

I bought one new for 250... Wish i hadn't...

 

[TucsonMTB]

Try to keep the cost down. This is an old design with a long heavy trigger that was not much fun to shoot when we owned one years ago. In our defense, my wife and I were both new shooters at the time and didn't know any better.

On the positive side, it is a great "learner" gun. If you can learn to shoot this well, you will be able to anything reasonably well.

 

[RobzGuns]

Even if you asked this question over at thekeltec.org, they would say that $450 is WAY too high and that even $300-$350 was too high for a Pre-Owned P-11.

If you've never shot one, ask to try it before buying. It has a true DAO revolver style trigger, with a very heavy pull.
As mentioned... It you can learn to shoot IT well, you could probably shoot anything.

 

[steven0150]

All the ammo is factory I believe. I guess the gun was shot 50 times. I was thinking 100 for the ammo and around 200 for the gun.

 

[TucsonMTB]

All the ammo is factory I believe. I guess the gun was shot 50 times. I was thinking 100 for the ammo and around 200 for the gun.

Not a terrible deal, in my opinion. But, I don't know much about 9mm ammo prices as we never shoot 9mm.

However . . . Kel-Tec has started enforcing their long standing warranty limitation to the original owner. They still ship free parts to just about anyone, but if you need to send your Kel-Tec pistol in for warranty work, they have started asking for your receipt. They are still not consistent about requiring the receipt, but it is a concern if you buy a used gun. Oh, and . . . Sadly, in my experience they do sometimes break. Worse, if it is a trigger bar issue, the factory may be the only folks who can "get it right" when performing the repair.

Here is a link: F.A.Q | Kel-Tec The warranty FAQ is quoted below.

What kind of warranty does Kel-Tec provide?

The exact warranty terms and conditions can be found in the back of the instruction manual that came with your Kel-Tec product. It usually covers defects in material and workmanship for the lifetime of the product and for the ORIGINAL OWNER only. Only Kel-Tec manufactured products are covered by this warranty, for exact details please consult your manual or download a copy

 

[RobzGuns]

Per this 'News' Update they posted back in Aug '11:
Warranty Update: Second Owner Responsibilities | News | Kel-Tec

Paragraph 3:
That said, all Kel-Tec owners may still enjoy great service, however if you are not the original owner we will ask that shipping be paid in addition to a flat $40.00 labor fee. Depending on the severity of the repair we may need to charge for parts as well. This applies only to those who are NOT the original owner of their weapon.

Paragraph 6 & 7:
As yet another courtesy, we may be able to reimburse up to $35.00 of shipping charges IF the difficulty can be duplicated by Kel-Tec (be sure you aren't limp-wristing before sending your weapon in) and the following criteria are met:

Shipping refund requests must be provided in writing, along with a copy of the original shipping receipt, and must accompany both the firearm and the bill of sale at the time of service. The firearm must meet Kel-Tec's criteria and be approved by the servicing gunsmith before eligibility will be considered.

So even though they're charging $40 for repairing pre-owned pistols, they're reimbursing $35 in shipping costs, if requested in writing.
If you send it in via an FFL, rather than shipping it yourself via FedEx/UPS, it would NOT cost $35... More like $10-$15.

 

[josh8042]

I know this isn't an m&p but my friend is selling one with 350 rounds for 450. To much, I was thinking 300-350. Should I?

With friends like those who needs enemies.

J/K but seriously, when that gun was available new, they commonly sold for about 225 nib. The ammo may be worth 100 to 150 depending on brand and type so I would say 300 to 350 MAY be fair

 

[Ofc.JL]

KelTec's are not junk, although their fit and finish are far from pristeen. Most usually work and work well. Problems are easy to work out, usually. But KelTec's are "carry it a lot, shoot it a little" guns. And they are not pricey, either.
My big problem w/ KelTecs is, in the larger calibers, they kick. Due to the way they are engineered. IMHO, of course. I do carry a P32 in my pocket as a BUG. That little pocket rocket always goes Bang.
So $300-350, tops, on the P11. And that's with the box, any spare mags, etc, etc.

 

[Arik]

. Most usually work and work well. Problems are easy to work out, usually. But KelTec's are "carry it a lot, shoot it a little" guns..

That doesn't Inspire much confidence. They are a "fluff and buff" guns which in itself is a bad thing for a SD gun. They have problems feeding heavier gr bullet. A gun that requires work AFTER sale is good for a door stop.

The other problem with this is the statement of "carry a lot shoot a little". That is so backwards. If you carry it should be shoot a lot

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[RobzGuns]

A gun that requires work AFTER sale is good for a door stop.

Yet how many people on this and other Forums who own Glock, XD, M&P, etc go right out and buy an after market trigger kit... Some even before they receive their new pistol and even try it out?

I take it that you're a revolver owner?

 

[Arik]

Yet how many people on this and other Forums who own Glock, XD, M&P, etc go right out and buy an after market trigger kit... Some even before they receive their new pistol and even try it out?

I take it that you're a revolver owner?

Actually no. I'm a semi auto guy. I do own a few revolvers though.

Doing things just cause is one thing but when it's recommended to do a fluff and buff if you want to reliability feed 124-145 gr ammo is different. This is not a preference thing anymore it's a reliability issue from the factory

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[RobzGuns]

Sorry... Many who do a trigger job on M&Ps (and some XDs) don't say it's 'just because'... It's because they hate the triggers. Making it sound like it's mandatory to make them 'acceptable'. Making it sound like they belong in your Door Stop category.

Doing a Fluff & Buff on KelTec products has not been required in years. Many I know that do recommend it, do Fluff & Buffs on ALL their firearms. I've owned the P-11, PF-9 and Sub2000 and all of them worked fine with nothing more than an initial cleaning, but Like some others, I Fluff & Buff everything... Just because.

As for Shoot a little, but carry a lot... My PF-9 was my EDC for 3 Yrs before the Shield came out, but I don't 'enjoy' shooting it as much as my other pistols. At the range, I'd shoot the PF-9 just enough to stay proficient, then finish up with the pistols I enjoyed shooting. Staying proficient are the key words. That's what most KT owners mean by 'Carry a Lot and Shoot a Little'. When taking a class, I shoot my most comfortable pistol, then practice the skills learned in class to the rest of my pistols later.

OTOH... My Shield is has been my EDC for 2Yrs now and is what I'd call an All-Day-Shooter, so since it became my EDC, my old PF-9 and other pistols haven't seen as much range time.

As I mentioned in my original post, the P-11 has a true DAO revolver style trigger, with a very heavy pull. As long as the OP understands this, as well as it having stiff recoil, that's what matters for this thread.
That's why I suggested that the OP try shooting it before buying.

 

[GKC]

That price seems awfully high to me. Granted, I haven't ever owned a Kel-Tec of any kind, but just in general I've never seen them sell for that high new.

If want a small, inexpensive 9mm handgun, check out the SCCY CPX-2. They generally sell for around $250 and they have a lifetime warranty on the gun, not the original owner. From what I've read on the SCCY forum, the CS is exceptional. I owned one briefly, but sold it before I ever shot it, since something I wanted more came along. The trigger isn't that bad, like a DA revolver but not quite as heavy (based on the revolvers I've owned.)

I would encourage to spend some time on the SCCY forum before you buy, though...there are a couple of problems that seem to pop up with these guns, although many people have none. SCCY does take care of the problems, and they are great about sending you parts and making updates to the guns for free.

 

[Voyager28]

Personally, I wouldn't buy a Keltec at any price.

Bob

 

[elm_creek_smith]

I had a KelTec P32, and my brother had a KelTec P3AT. Neither of us had any problem with them, but they were not impressive ballistically. An ex-coworker of mine was hot for little KelTecs to backup his issued Glock, so we made some rather remarkable trades.

On the other hand, my brother also bought a KelTec P11 for my daughter's graduation present. It doesn't like heavy bullets, but it's just fine with standard pressure Winchester 115 grain Silvertips which are very accurate if you can handle the trigger.

 

[Arik]

Sorry... Many who do a trigger job on M&Ps (and some XDs) don't say it's 'just because'... It's because they hate the triggers. Making it sound like it's mandatory to make them 'acceptable'. Making it sound like they belong in your Door Stop category.

Doing a Fluff & Buff on KelTec products has not been required in years. Many I know that do recommend it, do Fluff & Buffs on ALL their firearms. I've owned the P-11, PF-9 and Sub2000 and all of them worked fine with nothing more than an initial cleaning, but Like some others, I Fluff & Buff everything... Just because.

As for Shoot a little, but carry a lot... My PF-9 was my EDC for 3 Yrs before the Shield came out, but I don't 'enjoy' shooting it as much as my other pistols. At the range, I'd shoot the PF-9 just enough to stay proficient, then finish up with the pistols I enjoyed shooting. Staying proficient are the key words. That's what most KT owners mean by 'Carry a Lot and Shoot a Little'. When taking a class, I shoot my most comfortable pistol, then practice the skills learned in class to the rest of my pistols later.

OTOH... My Shield is has been my EDC for 2Yrs now and is what I'd call an All-Day-Shooter, so since it became my EDC, my old PF-9 and other pistols haven't seen as much range time.

As I mentioned in my original post, the P-11 has a true DAO revolver style trigger, with a very heavy pull. As long as the OP understands this, as well as it having stiff recoil, that's what matters for this thread.
That's why I suggested that the OP try shooting it before buying.

The M&P will still function without a trigger job, it just won't be as smooth or as light.and it's also a preference thing.i don't see a problem with their trigger but some do.....either way gun still works. Go on Keltec forum. Everyone recommends that fluff and buff (their words) in order to function with heavier loads. It's not a preference of feel it's a function problem.

Simply put Keltec is not some long kept secret in the firearms community where those who know buy Keltec for its legendary reliability and cheap prices. It's cheap for a reason, just like Bryco and Jennings. Neither of which I would trust to shoot a lot and still use as self defense

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