Keltec PMR-30

[ladder13]

Anyone have one of these? Looks interesting, 30 rds of 22 mag in a semi weighing 19oz's loaded.

 

[onegunshort]

I think I want to get one......as soon as they start selling them below MSRP.....CDNN was supposed to have them for $299, but now that Kel-Tec was having a production lag the catalog says "Call for price".

 

[26Ford]

Sometimes sir, when a retailer has " call for price " it is because the price is actually low, and as not to publically advertise, and to get the " low baller " reputation and stigma from the other retailers. Alao, sometimes the manufacturer will ask the retailer, to not post a price too low, especially on a new item, to be fair to all other stores. They { the retailer }, could get a very good deal from the manufacturer on a big lot/quantity order, with the stipulation of not listing thier sale price to the public. NOT saying this is the case here, but hopefully shed some light on the topic too. Kinda like " retail politics ". 26

 

[26Ford]

ladder13, come down to Florida this year, and I'll take you to our famous outdoor shooting range, and then only about a 45 minute drive north and we can stop in at Kel-Tec CNC, and you can see your new Kel-Tec being made. 26

 

[mod34]

Just took a look at these on-line........then promptly added one to my "don't need but have to have" list.

 

[sjmjax]

Interesting gun and I'd like to eventually have one.

But, it appears to be having some early production teething problems. Look up Keltec Owners Group Discussion Board [KTOG.org] and read some of the posts on the PMR-30 dedicated board.

 

[Rule3]

It is definitely a "cool factor gun" My only problem is I can't reload for it and would go broke shooting it. 22 mag ammo taint cheap.

Watch the video on their web site and figure how fast you would burn up ammo Be fun though!

 

[USAF385]

The only thing I have heard about it is that feeding and ejecting are subject to problems because of the length of the case.

I'd still get one.

 

[pistolite]

The PMR30 has my interest and I have been reading a lot about it on the internet. As mentioned is seems to be having some issues in addition to slow production. Please report back and let us know how yours runs when you get it.

 

[rburg]

Even more interesting will be how it works. If it works. KelTec doesn't have the best reputation for making guns that function reliably. I offer up the P32s as examples of that.

I've got a buddy who just had to have an Automag 22 magnum. He'd read it might not feed reliably. Its an understatement. Over a few dozen boxes of ammo, he'd not gotten a full mag to work. Then I read someone had good results with some Winchester hollowpoints. Something about the light bullet seemed to make them work when others didn't.

So he bought a box. The gun actually was able to feed 2 or 3 mags in a row!

I know, different gun, different company. I hope its a goodie. I don't know how much 22 mag ammo I've got, but it would be nice to work it through something besides my 351.

 

[Rule3]

Unless it is a serious design flaw, they do have very good customer service so if it can be made to work they will do so.

I would advise waiting some time before getting one. My KT 32 had to go back 3 times. The 380 worked right out of the box.

They are like a box of chocolates, you never know.......

 

[walnutred]

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I would advise waiting some time before getting one. My KT 32 had to go back 3 times. The 380 worked right out of the box.

They are like a box of chocolates, you never know.......

So your saying that KelTec is on par with S&W standards as far a semi-autos go? :-D Maybe I'm lucky but I have three Kel-Tecs and they all function as intended. Better get one of these PMR30s fast before they get banned as a "high capacity assault pistol." 30 round mag and all.

 

[Andy Griffith]

The fact is, .22 Magnum is just too long and skinny to work in most semi-autos. The track record for them isn't very good:

Ruger discontinued the 10/22 Magnum
Marlin discontinued the 922M
Remington discontinued the 597M
AMT discontinued the Automag .22 Magnum...a couple of times...
Grendel, who was famous for making the P-30 went out of business.

The track record for making self-loading .22 WMR's just isn't looking good.
I had an AMT .22 WMR, and it was extremely accurate- but it only worked well with Winchester brand ammo. Someone wanted it more than I did so I traded it.

The manually operated guns seem to work much better. The Marlin bolt guns have got to be the ones with the longest track record- both the tube and the box magazine fed models. I'd love to have a Winchester 9422M, but they are far too high for my wallet.

 

[Rule3]

Other than the "Cool factor" I see no sense in the gun due to the price of 22 MAG ammo.

It's about the same price as 9mm. I load 9mm so even less. I can get a 33 round mag for a Block 9mm and have more fire power.

Walnut,
I think SW are just a tad better than KT. Their customer service is excellent. They are right across the State from me. My Franken bolt came loose from the 380 and they sent me a whole new firing pin, spring, extractor and screw got it in 2 days. Five minute fix, all new parts.

KT is what it is, I have two and they work fine, now.

 

[Mule88]

I wish they would have offered adjustable sights on it. Would have made it more versatile.

 

[Rogerdog]

The fact is, .22 Magnum is just too long and skinny to work in most semi-autos. The track record for them isn't very good:

Ruger discontinued the 10/22 Magnum
Marlin discontinued the 922M
Remington discontinued the 597M
AMT discontinued the Automag .22 Magnum...a couple of times...
Grendel, who was famous for making the P-30 went out of business.

With all due respect Andy, you're not quite right. Ruger did discontinue the 10/22M but it is a fine rifle and commands a great premium over what it originally cost. I could go into great detail over what problems existed but they could mostly be summed up with the fact that owners treated the guns like 22LR guns and never cleaned them. Regular cleaning clears up almost any problem with the rifles.

The Remington as of this moment is still in current production according to their website. I believe you are mistaking this with their discontinuation of the 17hmr variation.

The Grendel company did go out of business. The Grendel like the KelTec had a magazine containing 30 rnds. Conincidentally the President of Grendel is now a VP at KelTec. Cnincidence? I think not.

You forgot to mention the BRNO 611 ZKM, a magnificent rifle which is no longer available. It is only not available because BRNO was absorbed by CZ who as of yet has not chosen to remake the 611. If it was unreliable I doubt Tom Knapp, the exhibition shooter, would still use one in his shows to shoot airborne aspirin.

I own both a BRNO and the 10/22M. Although they would sell quickly for a bunch of S&W buying money I have no plans to let either go. They both are accurate (the BRNO amazingly accurate for an autoloader) and both have cycled Dynapoint, Fiocchi, Hornady, and other ammo with no problems whatsoever. In fact two weeks ago in subreezing weather I rand some Fiocchi (notoriously underpowered) through the Brno without so much as a hesitation.

 

[Bullzaye]

The fact is, .22 Magnum is just too long and skinny to work in most semi-autos. The track record for them isn't very good:

Ruger discontinued the 10/22 Magnum
Marlin discontinued the 922M
Remington discontinued the 597M
AMT discontinued the Automag .22 Magnum...a couple of times...
Grendel, who was famous for making the P-30 went out of business.

The track record for making self-loading .22 WMR's just isn't looking good.
I had an AMT .22 WMR, and it was extremely accurate- but it only worked well with Winchester brand ammo. Someone wanted it more than I did so I traded it.

I'm not sure that Grendels going out of business had anything to do with the P-30. I own 2 P-30s, and they both function flawlessly, and are exceptionally accurate. I love mine, and I'm hopeful that the PMR-30s magazine will function in the Grendel...not that it really matters, as I acquired 15 of the P-30 mags. It would just be nice to have another source for new mags, should it become necessary.

Tim

 

[Bullet Bob]

"You forgot to mention the BRNO 611 ZKM, a magnificent rifle which is no longer available. It is only not available because BRNO was absorbed by CZ who as of yet has not chosen to remake the 611. If it was unreliable I doubt Tom Knapp, the exhibition shooter, would still use one in his shows to shoot airborne aspirin.

I own both a BRNO and the 10/22M. Although they would sell quickly for a bunch of S&W buying money I have no plans to let either go. They both are accurate (the BRNO amazingly accurate for an autoloader) and both have cycled Dynapoint, Fiocchi, Hornady, and other ammo with no problems whatsoever. In fact two weeks ago in subreezing weather I rand some Fiocchi (notoriously underpowered) through the Brno without so much as a hesitation."
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Looks like CZ is going to give the .22 WMR a try in a rifle autoloader - it's not quite halfway down in this link:

SHOT Show 2010 Day 3

A few people who have actually bought and shot the new Kel-Tec @ rimfirecentral.com seem to like it.

And let's not forget about the fabulous H&K 300 autoloader, which priced out of the American rimfire market. Every time I see one for sale, it's still too much for me. Much like Colt Pythons, Sako Finnwolf's, and really a long list of guns I'd like to own, but they are always more than I'm willing to pay, and I'm not a cheapskate, really I'm not!

 

[westkybanded]

I want the carbine. You guys seen that thing?

Heckuva truck gun!

 

[Rule3]

The owner of Kel Tec is a former designer for Grendel and Husqvarna.

 

[Andy Griffith]

With all due respect Andy, you're not quite right. Ruger did discontinue the 10/22M but it is a fine rifle and commands a great premium over what it originally cost. I could go into great detail over what problems existed but they could mostly be summed up with the fact that owners treated the guns like 22LR guns and never cleaned them. Regular cleaning clears up almost any problem with the rifles.

The Remington as of this moment is still in current production according to their website. I believe you are mistaking this with their discontinuation of the 17hmr variation.

The Grendel company did go out of business. The Grendel like the KelTec had a magazine containing 30 rnds. Conincidentally the President of Grendel is now a VP at KelTec. Cnincidence? I think not.

You forgot to mention the BRNO 611 ZKM, a magnificent rifle which is no longer available. It is only not available because BRNO was absorbed by CZ who as of yet has not chosen to remake the 611. If it was unreliable I doubt Tom Knapp, the exhibition shooter, would still use one in his shows to shoot airborne aspirin.

I own both a BRNO and the 10/22M. Although they would sell quickly for a bunch of S&W buying money I have no plans to let either go. They both are accurate (the BRNO amazingly accurate for an autoloader) and both have cycled Dynapoint, Fiocchi, Hornady, and other ammo with no problems whatsoever. In fact two weeks ago in subreezing weather I rand some Fiocchi (notoriously underpowered) through the Brno without so much as a hesitation.

I stand corrected on the Remington- it is so hard to find on their website- I had to go back and look again, and again to find it! The Brno isn't exactly in wide circulation though- likely less than the AMT Automag- I agree I wanted one at one time, but I guess my Marlin 883 will have to keep me happy.

 

[westkybanded]

The owner of Kel Tec is a former designer for Grendel and Husqvarna.

Does that mean that we might FINALLY see a quality firearm mounted chainsaw?!

 

[truckemup97]

Does that mean that we might FINALLY see a quality firearm mounted chainsaw?!

Who needs a bayonet when you can have a chainsaw!

Mike, when you get one, I'll come up and shoot it. I want one, too, but it's not in my top five right now. A fella advertised a WTB for one on the local Arms List. Said he'd pay up to $275 for one. I thought about sending him a message saying I didn't have a PMR-30, but I did have a bridge I'd let go cheap.

 

[Maximumbob54]

I would be so much more excited if .22 magnum ammo wasn't so overpriced. But it just isn't made in the volume of LR so I guess I get it. It's too bad we can't make a micro primer for making WMR into tiny center fire. I'm also curious what the potential for the .22 mag is from the pistol barrel vs some of the higher velocity LR that we have these days. Oh, and after a glance at the CZ, I like that and it just got added to my ever growing things to get one day list.

And for my fellow gamers out there, yes that sounded a lot like a Gears of War Lancer rifle there a minute ago. Everyone else please ignore this comment... It's nerdspeak.