Kentucky: Permitless Carry Legislation Introduced

[keith44spl]

As discussed previously....

The general consensus is a little training beats no training at all.

Sometimes mandatory training to satisfy a state funded course is
designed for a successful out come, for said state treasury.

Sometimes mandated training is aliken to the public school systems,
and some, do get left behind.

As with any schooling, be it public or in the home, firearms are tools and the use of same is a skill.

As a child, my father schooled me in the safe handling, marksmanship, a foundation of respect for all arms.

The state trained me in the use of arms to defend myself while enforcing the state's statues.

The responsibility with the carrying and use of arms remain the same, no matter the level of training nor it's source.

As for in all things, 'Every tub must to stand on it's own bottom.'


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[WVSig]

As discussed previously....

The general consensus is a little training beats no training at all.

Sometimes mandatory training to satisfy a state funded course is
designed for a successful out come, for said state treasury.

Sometimes mandated training is aliken to the public school systems,
and some, do get left behind.

As with any schooling, be it public or in the home, firearms are tools and the use of same is a skill.

As a child, my father schooled me in the safe handling, marksmanship, a foundation of respect for all arms.

The state trained me in the use of arms to defend myself while enforcing the state's statues.

The responsibility with the carrying and use of arms remain the same, no matter the level of training nor it's source.

As for in all things, 'Every tub must to stand on it's own bottom.'


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Having taken the KY class I can say that I believe that the course amounts to a tax on those within the commonwealth who want to carry a gun concealed.

The Video I watched was worthless. It was nothing more than Commonwealth Attorneys reading the statues. Maybe it would have been useful if I was illiterate but I could have read and understood the statues in about 1/10 of the time the video took.

The rest of the course was filler. I know how to clean my gun. I know how to load it and I know how to handle it safely. I can also put 20 rounds into pretty much the same hole at 7 yards. I could have taken the test without ever seeing the video or any of the other material presented to me in class.

Now I will admit I was a bit ahead of the curve but nothing in that class prepared someone to actually carry a gun. It did not make anyone a better shooter. It did not properly create a mindset that people need in order to safety carry IMHO. Every single student even those with almost no firearms experience had no problem passing the live fire part of the test. I could teach a person who has never fired a gun in their life to keep 20 rounds in a B-27 Target at 7 yards. I did it the other day with a friend and she was using a LCP Custom.

It was nothing more than a way for the state to collect money for the video and test materials and then more money when I actually applied for my permit. Typical KT tax. I hope this passes but I am doubtful that it will. The legislature in KY is still controlled by Democrats.

 

[CowboyKen]

Of course training is a good thing. BUT:

In about 20 states (including those that do not require a permit to carry a concealed firearm), little or no training is required for one to legally carry a concealed firearm, more if we include open carry.

There is no difference in incidents in states that require training (with or without a demonstration of "prophecy") and those that don't. Training is a good thing but requiring it does not seem to improve overall public safety.

Ken

p.s.; And we've all seen the video of the DEA agent shooting himself in the foot!

 

[redlevel]

Because of that (training no longer being mandatory), we will now have everyone who feels like sticking a pistol under their shirt . . . . . . . doing so

This is pretty much the way it has been here in GA
since Colonial days, except the gun was more likely
in a hip pocket or the bib of a pair of overalls,
depending on the size of the piece. I have never heard
of a rash of accidental shootings, or the streets running
with blood because of indiscriminate shooting by the
untrained masses.

The problem with government mandated training requirements
is that . . . . . . they are government mandated.
Pass the law and the current administration
might be fine. A future administration might use it
as a club to beat gun owners over the head.

 

[keith44spl]

I hope this passes but I am doubtful that it will. The legislature in KY is still controlled by Democrats.

The bill was introduced by two Dems and it's an election year...So,

As one legislator sed at the introduction of the concealed carry bill decades ago,
"We're just making it legal...What everyone is doing anyway."

The State saw the program as the cash cow that it was...

And now the DOCJT and KSP are have a time keeping up with the demand and
the financial burden of maintaining the whole deal.

From the inside, permit-less carry looks promising.


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[tcon]

Hometown guy Bob Damron sponsored the state legislation that led to KY having a concealed-carry law in 1996. He was a State Rep. (D) at the time but has since changed to (R).

 

[CCWKY]

I wrote Senator Carroll an email asking for support of this legislation and received this response last week. I'm not very optimistic after reading his response