Knurled SAT - Nickel?

[thadheth]

This is a bit of a mystery to me....... 2 knurled SAT's are shown in the pictures. The top one appears to be a fairly common late 1950's one with the long blade. The bottom one is almost exactly 3.5" with what appears to be a nickel handle (although perhaps it is a stainless fake). The tip is slightly wider as can be seen in the photos, and it has 9 rings as opposed to 8 on the aluminum handled one. The tip on the mystery one has file marks that appear to go in both directions (perhaps you can see that in the photograph, and I recall a thread that referenced different types of file marks on the tip). Can any of the experts tell me what I have here?

 

[410bore]

You have a nickeled steel knurled handled SAT

The first standard post war styled SAT.


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[thadheth]

Thank you 410bore. That is what I had hoped. I was confused by the description in the SCSW, which states "because these...are most often seen with post WWII guns, these are assumed to be post-war screwdrivers. We believe this to be incorrect as these were designed for the first of the micrometer sights fitted to the pre WWII 2nd Model K-22s." Perhaps that information is inaccurate?

 

[rburg]

We believe this to be incorrect as these were designed for the first of the micrometer sights fitted to the pre WWII 2nd Model K-22s." Perhaps that information is inaccurate?

I do believe the first K22 2nds came out with the nickel drivers. The only evidence I have is that one of mine came with one. Thats not proof. But then my very early K22 3rds came with one, too (K155). That is how I came to the conclusion.

Back to the statement above about maybe the screwdriver was a stainless fake. I have no way of telling. You can use a magnet, but some alloys of stainless are magnetic. I've never seen a know fake large screwdriver. The fakes I'm familiar with were the small prewar models.

As for using the overall length as a guide, its not very good. All the different models seem to vary in length. We've studied the handles, the tip configurations to no conclusion. They were a cheap accessory at the time sold. Only now do we seek them out and put a high value on them.

Once at the Louisville show, a guy had 4 of the modern fluted aluminum ones in his display case. I asked to see them and asked him how much. He said $5, so I handed him a $20 and said thanks. He kind of smiled and asked me if I knew something he didn't. Since that time I've seen the common old 1970s ones selling for $20 each. At a show down at Ft. Knox, a guy had put his wife to work sewing. He had a long roll of plastic. She had sewn kits together with cleaning rods, brush and swab, and screwdrivers. That guy wanted $5 apiece for them, so I bought him out. I'm a pig and I know it.

 

[410bore]

Yes I forgot about the 22/40s [emoji2]


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[thadheth]

Thank you for the information. It appears that this thing came from an early K22.

 

[Hondo44]

Besides the pre war K22/40, as 410bore posted, it came with any post war, post transitional target model with the Micro Click sight as well. Soon replaced with the all steel, ~3 1/2" black with standard size tip.

The RMs had the old style pre war sight; it and some post war transitional target models (which had pre war sights) came with the same 'style' SAT, but that was only ~2 1/2" long and fine tip. Soon replaced with the all steel, ~3 1/2" black SAT with fine tip.

See this post for SAT repros:

http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-ha...886-pre-war-sat-real-repro.html#post139099252

"The real ones have a handle made of steel that is nickel plated. The handle sticks to a magnet.
The repro I have has a handle that will not stick to a magnet." Lee Jarrett

Link to SAT commentary:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/blog.php?b=83

 

[RKmesa]

Some of the SAT screwdrivers from my collection - just for reference. I am not positive about any of them, even though some of them came to me in gun-box-tools packages that I believe to be how they shipped from the factory...

 

[Hondo44]

Some of the screwdrivers from my collection - just for reference. I am not positive about any of them, even though some of them came to me in gun-box-tools packages that I believe to be how they shipped from the factory...

Great layout. You must have the one missing, the alum fluted/taper tip which would go 2nd from the right.

 

[Hondo44]

thadheth;

Another thread about repros:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/swca-members-forum/279366-bogus-sight-adjustment-tool-found-ebay.html
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[thadheth]

Thank you all for the expert information about this SAT. The handle is attracted to a magnet, so I believe it falls into the "real" category.

 

[RKmesa]

You must have the one missing, the alum fluted/taper tip which would go 2nd from the right.

I'm sure I have one somewhere... In helping someone with a SAT question, I just threw this cell phone photo together and I could not run down an alum fluted/taper tip SAT in the 10 mins that this exercise took... and I wasn't patient enough to keep looking through boxes.

Remind me of the period for the "alum fluted/taper tip SAT"? I'll dig back through some boxes and maybe update the photo, when I have the good camera and light box out...

 

[410bore]

I'm sure I have one somewhere... In helping someone with a SAT question, I just threw this cell phone photo together and I could not run down an alum fluted/taper tip SAT in the 10 mins that this exercise took... and I wasn't patient enough to keep looking through boxes.

Remind me of the period for the "alum fluted/taper tip SAT"? I'll dig back through some boxes and maybe update the photo, when I have the good camera and light box out...

approx. 1960-1964 I believe is what the SCSW states. I'd hazard a guess they were out there in 1959 or before from some "complete package" guns I have seen....

 

[j a]

RKmesa

Would you mind if I copied your picture of the SATs? This is some very good information to keep. Thanks. JA

 

[JSR III]

I'll take it.

 

[RKmesa]

Would you mind if I copied your picture of the SATs?

Feel free to use the photo. Not my greatest photo.