Last of flying F-4 Phantoms
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LVSteve
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I'm guessing Greece.
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Thanks for sharing this. My dad worked at the St. Louis McDonald-Douglas plant in the early-to-mid 1960's.
His job title was "precision sheet metal worker" and he got to do some of the hands-on-work assembling the F4's and the Mercury space capsules for NASA.
Those were some VERY exciting times to be in the aerospace industry.
His job title was "precision sheet metal worker" and he got to do some of the hands-on-work assembling the F4's and the Mercury space capsules for NASA.
Those were some VERY exciting times to be in the aerospace industry.
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Thanks for sharing……and the memories….
F4phantom
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From sometime in 1967 at Chu Lai. For me it was one heck of a bird. Standing directly behind the plane, there was silence. The engines were counter-rotating and cancelled each other. I was told that coming in low and fast the VC never knew what hit them until the plane roared past. I worked on everything in the nose of the plane. The Navy classified it as an Aviation Fire Control Technician.
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A good friend of mine thru my teen years achieved a goal I could only dream about. He wound up a Marine Captain and flew F4's in the Viet Nam era. He told me the first time they launched him off a carrier deck he almost crapped his suit. I assume it was in an F4.
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Quite a crowd to watch! I think there are some others still flying them. Iran comes to mind.
I noticed these F4's didn't leave a black trail of smoke coming
out of the engines. Did they modify the engines?
out of the engines. Did they modify the engines?
Sadly I have no pictures of myself with the F-4's I worked on as a weapons mechanic in the 349th MMS...
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I got to FIGHTER SQUADRON 202 at NAS DALLAS 5 months after they got rid of the last F-4s in the NAVY and got F-14s. that was March 1988
There were many great aircraft flying in the Vietnam War but the two real work horses, in my mind, at least, were the UH-1 and the F-4.
I got to NAS Dallas in 1992 (on the "other side"). It was all Tom Cats for you guys then.
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I thought maybe South Korea had some too but it seems they just retired them weeks ago. Maybe Turkey has some?
'There won't be another like it': South Korean F-4 Phantom IIs drop final bombs before retirement | Stars and Stripes
'There won't be another like it': South Korean F-4 Phantom IIs drop final bombs before retirement | Stars and Stripes
Tom Kent
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As a grunt, I had two memorable experiences with Phantoms. In the Dominican Republic in 1965 the Dominican Air Force sent two Vampire jets over our territory. The Vampires were immediately joined by four Phantoms,one at the rear of each Vampire and one at the wingtip. The six aircraft apparently reached a meeting of the minds and headed out of our AOR. The other story I will save for later.
I was stationed out of Danang, RVN and never knew a moment when either an F4 or Huey were in the air. It didn't dawn on me until I got home and after a few days of feeling like something was missing in my life heard an incoming Huey working for LifeFlight go nearby to the local hospital...It was much more Huey's than F4's but still a constant racket which probably allowed us to sleep at night. We had a Marine Corp's helicopter base directly across the road from our main base of operations which used to be a large Naval hospital. Our main gripe with their operations was that whenever Charlie decided to mortar or rocket the Marines we caught their short rounds. At the time I was there the USS Sanctuary was anchored out in the harbor, it took the place of the out of date Naval Hospital we now occupied. It was kept busy with life flights, Navy security was in the same building when I worked at Harbormaster, most of the time they were quiet, one day there was a bustle of activity and guys were running out the doors to our observation deck. I went out to see what the fuss was and there was a flight of medivac choppers dropping off wounded and one bird was coming in smoking, the pilot got right up to the Sanctuary, clearly in distress from all the smoke. We could see wounded guys being dropped followed by guys in helmets, then the pilot swung the bird out and away from the ship so he could ditch in the water when Boom, she went up in the fireball. Most heroic thing I ever saw.
Almost Got Run Over By An F-4
I was climbing out of An Loc with a brand new Peter Pilot. When ever we went anywhere we had to call the appropriate Arty center to avoid flying through a GT line or an air strike. The FNG had been doing pretty well so i quit monitoring him when he made his call coming out of An Loc. At about 500' here comes an F-4 right at us, pulling out of a napalm run. It was close. Then I saw his wingman diving towards the flames that just erupted on the ground in front of us. I rolled that D model Huey hard right and headed for the trees. Once we were safely away from the strike I asked the guy what Arty said. He says there was an airstrike at coordinates blah blah blah. I said yea, that was it. That was the closest I ever want to see the belly of an F-4. I could have counted the rivets on that thing. I have no idea if he saw us. I'm sure it was pretty busy in their cockpit.
I still loved those Phantoms.
I was climbing out of An Loc with a brand new Peter Pilot. When ever we went anywhere we had to call the appropriate Arty center to avoid flying through a GT line or an air strike. The FNG had been doing pretty well so i quit monitoring him when he made his call coming out of An Loc. At about 500' here comes an F-4 right at us, pulling out of a napalm run. It was close. Then I saw his wingman diving towards the flames that just erupted on the ground in front of us. I rolled that D model Huey hard right and headed for the trees. Once we were safely away from the strike I asked the guy what Arty said. He says there was an airstrike at coordinates blah blah blah. I said yea, that was it. That was the closest I ever want to see the belly of an F-4. I could have counted the rivets on that thing. I have no idea if he saw us. I'm sure it was pretty busy in their cockpit.
I still loved those Phantoms.
I remember back in the 70s the Oregon Air Gaurd was flying them. My grandparents lived in a houseboat on the Columbia River. When I heard them coming down the river, I would drop whatever I was doing and run outside to watch. Pretty cool for a 7-8 year old kid to see.
If memory serves, and don't hold me to this, I seem to recall the "B" release J79 resolved the issue...to a degree.
The MDF4 was a no nonsense aircraft and could take a lot of triple A up her skirt and still back aboard deck.
Your dad likely worked alongside my mom's uncle. He worked in St. Louis starting in the 60's, ended up being transferred out west, if i remember correctly. Coincidentally, his father lived close to the Illinois river in a town named Meredosia. During the 70's and 80's the family and i spent many weekends there for fishing and camping...we would see and hear the Phantoms (from ANG in Springfield) flying relatively low above the river or Lake Meredosia. Watching them and hearing the sonic booms gave me goosebumps.
Very cool to watch, especially for kids. I was in my early teens, and a military aircraft enthusiast back then.
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LVSteve
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If you go to time 2:22 you will see some smoke kick in, but nothing like you see in films from Vietnam. It is likely that at that time he came out of afterburner. The older J79 variants typically smoke at any throttle setting above flight idle through to minimum afterburner. Smokeless J79s were eventually produced, starting with the -17 variant. Wikipedia states that the Greek aircraft received "smoke reduction systems" what ever that means.
LOL, pretty good chance they worked together. If not then he almost certainly worked with my uncle - Dad's younger brother. Uncle Gail was still working for MD when Boeing bought them.
I also remember when sonic booms were a very regular occurrence in the St. Louis area.
Funny thing, Dad had heart issues over half his life and they ended up giving him a pacemaker/defibrillator when he was 55 years old.
He said the first time it went off he thought it was a sonic boom! He had never been hit by the defibrillator before, but he had heard so many sonic booms that that was the first thing he thought of!
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Man that brought back memories! I worked on F-4E's and G's at Spangdahlem AFB in Germany. Pneudraulics mechanic. I heard some time ago that the last F-4's we had were turned into target drones. Broke my heart!
And now they're using F-16s.
DWalt
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Yes, they had a fleet of F-4s at Tyndall AFB that were used as target drones. They also had several large recovery boats at Tyndall that would fish them out of the Gulf. Sort of the USAF's Navy. I went out out on one of them once, but that was nearly 20 years ago. There was a large drone maintenance facility at Tyndall to keep those elderly F-4s flying. Maybe they use old F-16s as drones today, I don't know.
I once had an employee who flew rear seat in an F-4 in Vietnam. He didn't talk much about it. I guess he did ECM and stuff like that, I never knew any details.
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sigp220.45
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My last duty station in the Air Force was Bergstrom AFB TX, which had RF-4C reconnaissance birds. They were some of the last USAF F-4s flying at the time (89-90). Even then they were called "Texas Lawn Darts".
I worked two crashes with them while I was there. I did love hearing them take off.
I worked two crashes with them while I was there. I did love hearing them take off.
I was up close and personal with them overseas in '72.
Then they shipped me to Shaw which was infested with them.
Afterburners at night is quite a sight.
Then they shipped me to Shaw which was infested with them.
Afterburners at night is quite a sight.
