Lee tools--the best and the not so hot

What Skip said--plus I'll add this : Price, Quality, Service ? Which two do you want ?

This isn't the 1940's anymore--you can't just expect quality and value in products you buy---bottom line profit rules what quality is invested in a product be it loading equipment or any other product you choose.

JMHO

Steve

IMHO Lee has Price and Service down pat, and Quality on most of their stuff I find very good. I don't have experience with their scale or powder measure 'cause I already have those, nor their more popular model presses.

If I were on a tight budget and couldn't find good used equipment, I'd certainly look more closely at what Lee has to offer in the way of new gear---but the scale and powder measure aren't anything I want to compromise on.
 
I've been shooting and reloading for 45 years. I have a bunch of Lyman All-American triple chromed dies that are the best dies I have ever used for bottleneck rifle cases. However, The LEE collet neck-sizer and the factory crimp dies I got for my new 243 makes me want one for EVERY caliber, especailly 30-30 and 303Brit, because it is easy to louse the crimp process up on them. The LEE collet neck-size die is high on my list for those two, because I think that will extend brass life enormously, as they totally end any lengthwise exertions on the cases.

I have an abundance of RCBS, Pacific, Herters, Lyman, Belding & Mull, MEC, and LEE stuff, and I will say LEE is no second place to any of them. Each one has its own idiosyncrasies, but that means each and every one. I've never used their "Perfect" powder measure, as I have an old Lyman #55 that is better than nearly everything I have tried. I have an RCBS set up just for 223, and it works just like it ought to - foolproof ( but not damn-fool proof).

Regarding the AutoDisk powder measure, I have one, and it performs flawlessly on the LEE Loadmaster, but in order for it to function properly, one needs to follow the directions and attach the pullback chain correctly. (try that, W.E.G.) "Priming" it with some powdered graphite is extremely important to smooth operation. Also, their micrometer adjustable slide for that Auto Disk is a great favorite of mine, as it allows me to dial in EXACTLY the powder charge I want for any pistol load ( pistol is all I load on the Loadmaster)..

Speaking of the Loadmaster, It taught me a lot about the reloading process that I had kind-of taken for granted in the preceeding decades. Sure, you have to be attentive, to a degree, with EVERY press and every load and every single catridge. Who wants to reload where you can afford to put your mind and common sense and intelligence and attention in a bag and tie it up and set all that aside while you just pull a handle without any thought for what you are going to put in your gun? If any progressive press were that good and foolproof, it would come with a trained monkey that would make your ammo for you while you popped another Bud and watched the TV. Or maybe just filled the hoppers and turned it on while you stepped out to the 7-11 for a loaf of bread and a jug of milk and came back to your Saturday's range ammo all done.

But I digress.

The LEE Loadall for shotgun shells is just absolutely the least expensive loader for shotshells there is, and it too is as foolproof as any loader can be. I have one in 12, and one in 20. They have cranked out thousands and thousands of shells in the 40 years my kids and I shot trap, skeet and squirrel with our own loads. The only advantage some other presses have over them is being able to empty the hoppers for a component change more easily.

My main single-stage press used to be a Pacific "Super C", but has been replaced by a big RCBS Rockchucker I got at a yard sale for $5.

I haven't tried the case-trimmer, as my Pacific, RCBS, and Forster do all I need, and I've got parts and collets galore.

The LEE scale works, period. But I now have an Ohaus 1000 grain, which serves me so well that I retired the old oil-damped Pacific.

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Am I a LEE fanboy? Well, maybe yes and maybe no, but I will say that their of products that I, personally, have used represent great value for the money, there is very little waiting time for any kind of order/service, and they produce consistent quality ammunition when the user is doing his part.

They are not products to be "bashed" because of their price, for they do the job as well or better than stuff costing 2x or 3x. Often with far less hassle, always at less cost.

Flash
 
I'd like to do a survey and find out what kind of vehicle(s) everyone that owns a Dillion drives.?? I am sure it must be BMW, Mercedes, Lexus. Acura and similar vehicles.(I'd name a American brand if there was a quality one)

2005 Chevy Impala with 80,000 miles. I have a 2000 Chevy S10 that was my father in law's before he died this past June and I drive a Ford F250 van for work. Hardly anything close to the kinds of cars you mentioned but functional and if maintained correctly will get the job done.

Lee is the same way UNTIL I want to go faster with something that is better looking that should it break down on my great-great-great-great grandkids, will still be fixed for free if Dillon is still around! ;)

At any rate, Lee is good equipment to start on. I have backed some of their products with an offer to buy them if someone doesn't think they work to expectations. But if I want real quality, with real design engineering in my driveway, I'm going with something else!

(Didn't you have a tag line once that said something like: "Defender of the red press!" ?)

:D
 
I'd like to do a survey and find out what kind of vehicle(s) everyone that owns a Dillion drives.?? I am sure it must be BMW, Mercedes, Lexus. Acura and similar vehicles.(I'd name a American brand if there was a quality one)

While I've owned my Dillon 450 (with several upgrades) and a used Dillon 550 I've driven a '90 Plymouth Grand Voyager 117,000 miles, 2 Ford F150 pickups (1976 & 1986), PT Cruiser (just had to have), and still drfiving a 1995 S-10 160,000 miles. Obviously the Dillon is more durable than a vehicle.

I've worn out 4 Lee molds, 2 priming tools, 2 powder measures, thrown away 2 dies sets in disgust. The Lee trim tool is simple and works great for 50 cases. If I need to trim 500 I reach for the Lyman with the electric drill arbor. Lee's best, most durable, must have product is the Carbide Crimp dies. I have one in 9 mm. 38/357, 40 S&W, 44 mag, and 45 ACP. I recommend them to every body that reloads pistol ammo.

For load development at the range the Lee cheap press works great to seat bullets in resized/primed case. Thousands of reloaders started on the Lee Reloader -- the one that requires a hammer to neck size the case, drive it out, etc. True stone age, but it worked, got me started reloading 30-06 in 1975, and taught me that a RockChucker was well worth $75 versus 14.95 for the Lee pound-a-matic. :D
 
I've used a Lee Auto Prime for thirty years with complete satisfaction.

When I shot competition I bought a Pro 1000 progressive. It was the worst mistake I've ever made in a gun related purchase.
 
I'd like to do a survey and find out what kind of vehicle(s) everyone that owns a Dillion drives.?? I am sure it must be BMW, Mercedes, Lexus. Acura and similar vehicles.(I'd name a American brand if there was a quality one)

Subaru Forester
 
I'd like to do a survey and find out what kind of vehicle(s) everyone that owns a Dillion drives.?? I am sure it must be BMW, Mercedes, Lexus. Acura and similar vehicles.(I'd name a American brand if there was a quality one)

A 2004 Toyota Tacoma, I'd rather spend my money on a blue reloader than a fancy car. But back to the OP, I don't prime on the press and use the Lee Autoprime and their carbite dies are a good deal, thats about it.
 
I disagree on the Perfect Powder measure,having tested it and using it it with many different powders. It works, is accurate and does not leak as claimed by others.
Depends on the powder used. For sticks, it works at least as well as any other, and better than most. Only a Belding & Mull is as good with sticks.
Sure there is heavier duty, better built, more expensive equipment out there but, Lee will load ammo and the end results you wouldn't know the difference.
I'm not sure about that. Maybe with some items, like the long-discontinued Lee Target Loader, you might actually be able to see the Lee superiority on the target.

The Lee products that impress me the most, aside from the Target Loader and the Lee "Perfect" powder measure, are the "Factory Crimp" Die (for some applications), the case trimmer with pilot, the original priming tool and the Auto-Prime, which I still use. There also used to be a turret press in a box, which can be very handy for those with limited space. Their hand press for standard dies can be handy for some applications.

Few of Lee's tools are impressive in construction, and one or two look downright cheap, but they make more uniquely useful tools than most manufacturers.
 
I started reloading with the old Lee Loader. Slow and primitive but it worked and I still use several of them for odd calibers or when I only want to load a few rounds of something. About the only Lee product I didn't like was their powder scale, just to fidgety for me. I use a lot of other brand tools that I have aquired over the years. Never bought any of them new, always second hand. For a working man on a budget most are just too darn expensive! I think Lee has made it possible for many people to get into reloading who otherwise might not have.
 
I started off with all the RCBS equipment back in the 70's. To reload my 38spec/357mag, 44mag, 30-06, 45acp and my 444 marlin at first. The RCBS stuff wasn't cheap back then either but its way more exoensive now.

If your not using the affordable, quality LEE reloading equipment your missing out. I want the best bang for my dollar when it comes to reloading equipment. But at the sametime i don't want to over spend and have it sit there idle at times too. The bottomline is it has to be cost effective.

I first tested the $8 LEE RGB 308win dies in my RCBS rockchucker press and we ran 5 k of 308win thru them. The following winter we ran another 4k of 308win thru the same RGB $8 lee 308win dies and there still flawless. I weighed every powder charge exactly by using the LEE measuring cups one size below the charge i needed and then using the powder trickler to make each load exactly the same. I actually have 9k of quality 308win 145gr FMJBT match grade ammo.

Seeing this i went out and purchased the LEE dies for all my calibers wether i reload for them or not. I figure in the future i'll need them anyway. Plus by buying them now i saved $$$ from buying them later on if the cost goes up.

There hand pocket primer has been awesome too. While we broke a few handles LEE was willing to send me 3 at a time as i broke 3 at a time. I never seen a company do this? I'm very happy with there understanding and very fast service. Some of the rifle primers are harder to push in and LEE has redesigned a new hand primer too. I had no problem with the first hand primer with the handgun brass.

I was recently given a LEE Pro 1000 by an older reloader in 45acp. It was out of time for some reason but i just turned the shell holder and indexed it until it was in time. I cycled it dry and realized how fast we could pop out the loaded 45acp rounds. Luckily i had 3k of 45acp to run. We loaded the 45acp in warp speed. This little progressive press was a wake up call for me in saving time in reloading.

Back in the 70's i was shooting 3 to 4 times a week and was reloading the rest of the time, with working full time and sleeping/eating inbetween. I had no time for anything else but reloading 7 days a week. Back then i had to stop for it was getting harder and harder to find the time to reload. I was addicted and this shooting and reloading was my drug. If i only had a progressive press back then.

I just purchased another new caliber to me its the 41 remington magnum. Ok now i need to setup my reloading for this caliber too. I found the LEE Pro1000 setup for 41mag on sale for $149 i jumped on it. I had the 900rds of new 41mag brass primed with the LEE hand primer and all ready to go. I set the new lee pro 1000 press up and removed the 41mag sizer die and adjusted the powder charge and seating die and was ready to run them. I ran 350rds in no time of the 41mag rounds.

Ok i'm spoiled now and also want the LEE Pro 1000 progressive presses For my 38spec/375mg, 44spec/44mag and in 9mm luger too. I can't put a price on the time i save when i can shoot more and still reload at a warp speed. Now i want the larger LEE Progressive press for my 308win/30-06 too. And i'm eyeing the LEE Turret press for all my other larger rifle calibers too.

My point is the LEE reloading equipment is affordable, is a high quality, backed by the best guarentee, manufactured by people like us who care about there customer needs. There workers and engineers have to be shooters and reloaders too for they surely come up with some awesome ideas, plus there at affordable prices. The LEE products will get you from point A to point B at a great price, thats unmatched in the industry today. . What more can i say? Bill

BTW; My RCBS rockchucker and reloading equipment has been good too its just not affordable as the LEE equipment is, yet its still a quality tool to work with. (Lee). If i was just getting into reloading today i would go with the LEE reloading equipment for sure.

Ya i could buy a new 60k vette but i could build something much faster for way less remember i want the most bang for my dollar. Its not about the $$ its about living comfortable. I'm content with a good cup of coffee and the hell with everything else.
 
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A 2004 Toyota Tacoma, I'd rather spend my money on a blue reloader than a fancy car. But back to the OP, I don't prime on the press and use the Lee Autoprime and their carbite dies are a good deal, thats about it.

I can own just about any car i want now and could afford to live in any country but i'm not interested in a blue reloader because i'm very happy with the performance of my LEE reloading equipment. I just too frgual to have the braggin rights on something that costs more than i need and thats all i'm going to say. Bill

BTW; I drive an old 79 chevy truck and a new subaru. I do put quality first but i want the best quality for my hard earned dollar too as a low cost. We can have the best of both worlds if we shop smart.
 
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+I've used Lee equipment for many years now and for the most part found it to be very practical. Back in my heavy handgun shooting days they came out with the Pro 1000. I picked up one in a trade and loaded thousands of 45,38 on it. True it at times took some tinkering and adjustments, but to me that is the enjoyment of the seasoned reloader. When things get so automatic and nothing needs to be fine tuned we may get to casual in just pulling the handle.
 
+I've used Lee equipment for many years now and for the most part found it to be very practical. Back in my heavy handgun shooting days they came out with the Pro 1000. I picked up one in a trade and loaded thousands of 45,38 on it. True it at times took some tinkering and adjustments, but to me that is the enjoyment of the seasoned reloader. When things get so automatic and nothing needs to be fine tuned we may get to casual in just pulling the handle.

Being a retired lead tech for an engineering group and a class A machine builder/erector and car/truck/jeep mechanic before that i find it really easy to adjust the lee pro 1000 to get it up and running. I built giant chuckers that weighed 65k and indexed while poping out fully machined finished trailer truck brake drums like the lee pro1000 pops out loaded rounds. The pro 1000 is only smaller of course. They have some great engineering minds working for LEE. Bill
 
I use a hodge podge of dies- some of them Lee's- and they seem to work as well as the RCBS and Lyman sets that I use. I especially like the neck size only die for my 270 Win bolt gun.
I had a Safety Scale and Perfect Powder measure and gave them both away. They worked but I just didn't care for them. I had a FCD in 38/357 that I also let go to a buddy who was having trouble with rounds chambering in his TC Contender. It worked but it didn't justify adding another step to the loading process for me.
The Lee case trimmer set-up is great. I order a set along with dies when I add a new caliber. I've got a Lyman trimmer on the shelf that pretty much collects dust.
The deburrer and chamfer tool is functional but I prefer the RCBS one that I use now.
I like the Lee 2-cavity molds. They are great for a beginning caster. For less than $20 it doesn't take long to get your money's worth out of them. The tumble lube molds are absolutely the cheapest way to get started casting your own. I've got a 2-cavity 158 gr. TL SWC mold that I've cast a bunch of bullets (or boolits) with. I shoot them as cast with a light tumble lube and they are as accurate as any bullet that I've ever used. Lots of folks turn-up their noses at tumble lube bullets. That's fine... as long as they don't get their feelings hurt when I out shoot them;)

Bottom line for me. Everything that I've ever purchased from Lee was functional at an affordable price.
 
How much is a blown up gun? And say a loved one looses their sight or worse?

So, now, lets talk about value. Not price, value. To get something that is reliable, that costs 3 times as much but will never cause a squib that is followed by a double, is no price increase at all in my book.

Just last week I was picking up some cases I bought on gb. The seller was an old timer that had been reloading for 30 years. We wound up chatting about reloading and what not for an hour or so. He had a Dillon 550 on his bench and I asked how it liked it. He pointed to a bulged 1911 barrel hanging from it and said "you mean the Widowmaker" and explained that last year his 550 blew up his 1911 with a squib followed by a double. Then he pointed to his old turret press and told me he put back on the bench the next day and hadn't used the 550 since.
 
Sorry i left out i use nothing but the lee case trimmers on a battery powered drill. Again the time i save is a plus too.

BTW; Why are we comparing the LEE loaders to the Dillon? Thats like comparing a subaru to a 1 ton 4x4 truck. The LEE is very affordable yet gets the job done without the high cost. Why don't we compare the LEE reloading equipment to the other equal reloading equipment across the board even. And not the higher priced stuff? I don't think that any other reloading equipment can match the level of quality at such an affordable cost as the LEE equipment is. Lee is in there own zip code by themselves when it comes to there reloading equipment in quality and cost. Like i said before i run alot of brass at one time and if the quality wasn't there i'd see a problem and its not happening with the LEE equipment.

We shoot all year and reload all winter. Bill

With any progressive press we need tp pay attention how the cases load and hwo we cycle it when it happens. You can get some cases with no powder and others with a double charge if your not paying attention with any progressive press. If you look into each loaded case as it goes to the seater die inside the case should be dark because the powder is in it. If we see shine inside the case there's no powder in it. I watch it all as we run the progressive press and we should with any progressive press no matter who its made by they do have normal hickups at times its part of the process that weneed to be aware of and watch out for.
Keep an eye on whats going on, besafe, godbless; Bigbill
 
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Just last week I was picking up some cases I bought on gb. The seller was an old timer that had been reloading for 30 years. We wound up chatting about reloading and what not for an hour or so. He had a Dillon 550 on his bench and I asked how it liked it. He pointed to a bulged 1911 barrel hanging from it and said "you mean the Widowmaker" and explained that last year his 550 blew up his 1911 with a squib followed by a double. Then he pointed to his old turret press and told me he put back on the bench the next day and hadn't used the 550 since.

No reloading set-up is fool proof. You can blow-up a firearm with a Lee Hand Press or a Dillon progressive. As has been brought up in this thread, one of the problems with ALL progressive presses is a false sense of security that everything is working right everytime you pull the handle. This can lead to a lackadaisical attitude towards reloading which can be dangerous. The majority of reloaders can and do load safely on any type of equipment that they have in their shop. Blaming a piece of reloading equipment for failing to load properly is like blaming a car for having an accident.

BTW- does the old timer want to get rid of "The Widowmaker"?
 
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From my personal experience, the best Lee products (in order):

1) Universal Decapping Die
2) Classic Cast Single Stage Press
3) Classic Cast Turret Press with Pro Auto Disk Powder Measure
4) Neck-Sizing Collet Dies
5) Factory Crimp Dies (rifle only)
6) Case Length Gage and Ball-Handled Trimmer system
7) Shell Holder set (too inexpensive to be without)
8) Hand Priming Tool (it works, but breaks too easily)
9) Factory Crimp Die (handgun) - not necessary unless your reloads are hinky

I'm gearing up to reload 12ga trap shells, so the Lee Load-All II may be on this list soon.

YMMV.
 
My only point with the car reference is this:

Not everyone can afford a Dillion, I can, but I choose to spend my money elsewhere.

I do not own a Rolex either but my Citizen (Seiko) solar powered watch is over 5 years, never comes off, goes in saltwater, been dropped and I still know what time it is.:)

It gets really old on every reloading equipment thread to "oh you should get a Dillion" Why not a RCBS or Hornady?

For the price Dillon charges and for all the extras you need to buy, they damn well better warranty it for ever. So you pay for that up front. The Lee Turret press makes ammo and it shoots as well as that made by any other press.

I would just as soon buy a RCBS or a Hornady. Their warranty and customer service is as good or better.

With the money I saved buying Lee equipment, I bought every set of handgun deluxe dies and 4 rifle sets, the extra turrets and all the other stuff for less that a Dillon press alone and probably a gun or two.
I did buy a Dillon beam balance.

Oh, I drive a Honda, could have bought the Acura but it's the same car with a few bells and whistles.;)
 
Just last week I was picking up some cases I bought on gb. The seller was an old timer that had been reloading for 30 years. We wound up chatting about reloading and what not for an hour or so. He had a Dillon 550 on his bench and I asked how it liked it. He pointed to a bulged 1911 barrel hanging from it and said "you mean the Widowmaker" and explained that last year his 550 blew up his 1911 with a squib followed by a double. Then he pointed to his old turret press and told me he put back on the bench the next day and hadn't used the 550 since.

I would have offered to buy the 550.
 

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