LEOSA

[duncan4521]

And there it is.... I should have more privilege then the people who pay me.... The Kings guard gets to carry, but not me.

I did 21 years in the Army, so I should get to carry an "Assault Rifle" in the same places you get to carry a pistol...Fair enough?

I've shot plenty of Police "Qualification courses" and there designed for the lowest denomination of the force, so that bar is pretty low. Lets be honest... The majority of cops are not "Gun Guys" and there service weapons are just one tool that they have to use, and for most, they go there who career never having to use it.

Yet there are retired Mil guys (Not me) who spent 20 years kicking down doors and shooting like that was there only profession, and were telling them, sorry, you get no special privilege, your not a retired cop.


Retired LEO's should not get anymore privilege then anyone else. And after what I saw happen at Uvalde TX that just solidified it for me. It's already been ruled by the supreme court that the LEO have no duty to protect individuals, only enforce laws, where the side benefit is maybe someone's life is saved. So this extra privilege law is BS.

And there it is.... I should have more privilege then the people who pay me.... The Kings guard gets to carry, but not me.

I did 21 years in the Army, so I should get to carry an "Assault Rifle" in the same places you get to carry a pistol...Fair enough?

I've shot plenty of Police "Qualification courses" and there designed for the lowest denomination of the force, so that bar is pretty low. Lets be honest... The majority of cops are not "Gun Guys" and there service weapons are just one tool that they have to use, and for most, they go there who career never having to use it.

Yet there are retired Mil guys (Not me) who spent 20 years kicking down doors and shooting like that was there only profession, and were telling them, sorry, you get no special privilege, your not a retired cop.


Retired LEO's should not get anymore privilege then anyone else. And after what I saw happen at Uvalde TX that just solidified it for me. It's already been ruled by the supreme court that the LEO have no duty to protect individuals, only enforce laws, where the side benefit is maybe someone's life is saved. So this extra privilege law is BS.

This is about those of us that qualify for a specific law and how to go about meeting those qualifications. It is a law and those that meet the requirements should exercise that benefit. The debate about the Constitutionality and the 2A is another issue. So are you saying based on principle that retired cops that meet those requirements should not participate? Since Bush signed LEOSA into law in 2004, those benefits have been afforded to both active duty and retired law enforcement personnel meeting the requirements proscribed by the law. No more, no less. It seems to me from the tone of some of the negative responses that there is not just disdain for the law, but disdain for Law Enforcement in general?

 

[Faulkner]

I want to be clear about what I'm trying to communicate.

I understand why a retired cop would take advantage of LEOSA. That's simple human nature.

What I'm saying is that LEOSA itself is bad because it's a bait and switch.

LEOSA is a bone that the people (Bloomberg, Soros, Giffords and the like) who are trying to disarm America threw to the cops so you wouldn't raise Hell while they strip the Proletariat"s Rights.

I promise you (Cops) that once we're disarmed you retirees are next and then the active cops will be drawing arms from the police armory and turning them back in at the end of their shift.

Look at Canada and England folks because that is your future

Seems you're clear enough and I think you paint with a wide brush.

 

[Fastbolt]

Forgot, the agency I retired from will not qualify retirees and would rather you not even bring it up. They have more serious internal problems they are dealing with.

Sad, but unsurprising in some respects. Lots of agencies create their own self-inflicted problems on a daily basis, right?

My former agency offers a retiree renewal/LEOSA Qual once a month, and it's been allowing retirees of any state/local or federal agencies to schedule attendance if they live in the area. Not advertised, but word-of-mouth among retirees seems to do the trick. Last I knew they still weren't charging any fees, although if you brought a weapon chambered in a caliber they didn't support (down to 9mm nowadays) you needed to bring your own ammo. You were given a LEOSA document that stated you qualified with either a pistol or a revolver, or both. Your responsibility to preserve the document once it was handed to you, as they didn't act as a records repository.

 

[biku324]

I was chatting my young neighbors about this - he's a State Policeman; both he and his wife are Army reservists, both E6. He and she laughed when I mentioned Army qualification with the M4 - they had both re-qualified a few weeks ago and every noncommissioned officer in their group qualified with her rifle so that they wouldn't have to clean theirs.

 

[Smoke]

Seems you're clear enough and I think you paint with a wide brush.

I hope you're right but I don't think you are

 

[Smoke]

I was chatting my young neighbors about this - he's a State Policeman; both he and his wife are Army reservists, both E6. He and she laughed when I mentioned Army qualification with the M4 - they had both re-qualified a few weeks ago and every noncommissioned officer in their group qualified with her rifle so that they wouldn't have to clean theirs.

That was the least partially on her

 

[Smoke]

It was George W. Bush who signed LEOSA into law due to increased risk of terrorism and violent crime.

You mean the same President George W Push who vowed to sign the renewal of the 1994 assault weapons ban if it landed on his desk?

Yep, he's certainly a staunch supporter of the Second Amendment

 

[biku324]

That was the least partially on her

The point is that none in that unit took the requalification very seriously. The neighbor who is the State Policeman said agency qualifications with pistol, rifle (AR-15), and shotgun were a good deal more rigorous than the Army course they fired.

 

[FirearmEnthusiast]

This Supreme court ruling is just that. Most states have and In fact since the "Cops have no duty to protect" prosecuted on Duty LEO for not interviening in some situations. In fact as a cop in a very conservative area, I took a class on this and my state has an oath of office, where we are required to protect life and other statutes that require I act. If we do not, we are in violation of that statute..
If it gets bad enough the attorney who taught the class said regarding prosecution against an LEO to "expect it" regarding failing to act upon that oath. Florida cop who failed to go into a school shopoting for example is a famous one.

As far as Dept. Policies, we are expected to follow law and then policy wherever we are. Ive been off duty and intervened in and out of on a few life threatning situations, so have most cops I know. So let that sink in, LEOSA provided me the ability to have my weapon in another state during one of thoese times, I would have not been legally able to carry. Its a force multiplier, and when used, works, not implemented to show LEO prividlege.

 

[bottomscratcher]

I'd be happy to see a convicted felon having his 2A rights restored if he's served his sentence in full. The problem -which is really the subject for a different discussion- is why is society letting violent felons who have served partial/stupidly short sentences, and are still violent, back into society in the first place?

Realistically, the felon who has served a sentence of 2 years for something like embezzlement or cybercrime is no more of a violent threat to most people as any random guy on the street.

This happened in Arizona, a non violent had his rights restored by a judge, DPS officer was sent on a false claim and ambushed near Tonopah, by a wacko, DPS officer was laying on the road unable to move or get help, previous felon with restored rights came on the scene, helped the DPS officer and killed the wacko. Arizona is Conditional Carry, we can have loaded firearms in our vehicles with standard magazines unlike Commiefornia.

Hero in Tonopah-Area Shooting That Saved State Trooper's Life Had Gun Rights Restored in 2003

Thomas Yoxall was convicted of felony theft in 2000. But fortunately for DPS Trooper Edward Andersson, Yoxall had his gun rights restored in 2003 after he successfully completed probation.

www.phoenixnewtimes.com

 

[Smoke]

The point is that none in that unit took the requalification very seriously.

Army RESERVISTS

Duh

The neighbor who is the State Policeman said agency qualifications with pistol, rifle (AR-15), and shotgun were a good deal more rigorous than the Army course they fired.

CSPD's qualification standards are (arguably) more stringent than the Army's. The Army never made me shoot around a car or in the dark.

 

[Sgt. Buzzard]

You mean the same President George W Push who vowed to sign the renewal of the 1994 assault weapons ban if it landed on his desk?

Yep, he's certainly a staunch supporter of the Second Amendment

Yeah, I mean the same President George W. bush who has done more for wounded veterans than you ever will.

 

[biku324]

Duh

CSPD's qualification standards are (arguably) more stringent than the Army's. The Army never made me shoot around a car or in the dark.

Both did 5 years active duty - her until '22, him from 2013-2018. Her assignments were mostly stateside, while his were all CentCom in varied locations. He and I were in Iraq about the same time, him in Nineweh Province while I was with DOJ in Baghdad. We never met then, but having them suddenly living 150 meters away is an interesting coincidence.

 

[geeollie]

Let's not forget that it was President Obama who signed the revision of LEOSA to give us the current version of this law.
It seems to be a law supported by a wide range of people. And like nearly every law, it is grumbled about by a wide range of people.

 

[ladder13]

Personal babysitter 24/7/365?????? That’s rather presumptuous. And maybe even a touch arrogant. Nobody I know counts on LE to look out for them. They are simply called , after the fact.

Reminds me of the Danemora prison breakout by two convicted murderers in 2015. Word was the NYSP better find them before the locals do.

 

[UFGator]

Tennessee looks out for retired police.
Lifetime permit....no cost last I checked. Reciprocity in about 37-38 other states. LEOSA is fine but far from necessary unless you plan on traveling to one of those dozen other states.

Ten four!

 

[Bald1]

Reminds me of the Danemora prison breakout by two convicted murders in 2015. Word was the NYSP better find them before the locals do.

Yeah, if I rolled up on my hunting camp and they were there, that be trouble. I draw the line at stealing my bourbon !

 

[ladder13]

Yeah, if I rolled up on my hunting camp and they were there, that be trouble. I draw the line at stealing my bourbon !

Pics on the news showed little old ladies with 10-22’s at the ready. LOL.

 

[Bald1]

Pics on the news showed little old ladies with 10-22’s at the ready. LOL.

I watched the Netflix documentary on that. Not sure how accurate it was. That lady who helped them was a first class ding bat.

 

[14daMoney]

Personal babysitter 24/7/365?????? That’s rather presumptuous. And maybe even a touch arrogant. Nobody I know counts on LE to look out for them. They are simply called , after the fact.

what is it they say about perception being reality....