lever action work expensive help..

[Rastoff]

The lever gun is the original tactical gun. Small, light and rapid fire. By all means put a 1-4x scope on that. While all these old codgers are admiring how good their guns look you'll be hitting your target and making them all look foolish where it counts.

Further, .357 lever guns are neither rare or uncommon. I got mine for about $350 and didn't have to look hard. I will probably add some Skinner sights to mine, but wouldn't hesitate to put a scope on it.

The factory stock is probably the best you'll find for your purpose. There are plastic stocks out there, but they don't really add any performance.

 

[REVL33]

I'm curious.

Everyone, or so it seems to me, thinks by "pistol grip" you mean an AR15-type stock.

Is that what you want, or are you looking for something like a Black Shadow?

yes exactly not like a ar stock or sawed off rifle or shotgun stock I think I was misunderstood a little on that one.

 

[Alpo]

Well, if you find a pistol-grip stock (and that Black Shadow is synthetic, and since they were discontinue in 2000 maybe Winchester still has them as parts), you're gonna have to change the lever also. Get a curved one.

 

[REVL33]

thank everyone I knew I would get some very interesting responses first of all pistol grip does not mean like a ar-15 or sawed off type of deal just not straight I like a little bit of a curve like on a bolt action for example also I will be shooting this for a while before I do anything to it I still don't want blue finish I wanted stainless but bought what I could get also ghost ring sights may not have been accurately stated more like a skinner sight I'm more traditional than tacticool just ask all my sig and glock friends about how much they tease me on only having revolvers.

 

[REVL33]

Lots of range time will "slick up" the action. I would add a red-dot rather than a ghost ring sight.

I have given this a thought and I might some time way down the road but for now just good sights no scope just simple that's the way I want it for now just want to have a few things I like better than wood or blue finish.

 

[REVL33]

Well, if you find a pistol-grip stock (and that Black Shadow is synthetic, and since they were discontinue in 2000 maybe Winchester still has them as parts), you're gonna have to change the lever also. Get a curved one.

you know I never thought about that changing the stock to a curved one would involve a lever change I was going to keep the one I have but now you mention that I will have to consider that with the change I do like the bigger curved lever better in looks just did not want to spend money on something if it works for me thx for the tip a oversight on my part for sure.

 

[Rastoff]

Changing to a pistol grip will also include modifying the tang of the receiver. That's a lot more work than you'll want to do and will cost more than the rifle.

 

[REVL33]

Changing to a pistol grip will also include modifying the tang of the receiver. That's a lot more work than you'll want to do and will cost more than the rifle.

ok I guess I'm at loss here what is the tang is that where the stock mounts to the rifle if not can you pls show me what you mean.

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

You may have trouble switching the straight stock for a pistol grip stock. The lower tang on a pistol stock is curved and often longer. The common sight upgrade on cowboy action shooting is replace the flat blade type rear sight with a "Buck horn" rear sight, it is in the same location. The round "horns" work something like a "Peep" rear for close fast shooting. For distance they help with ranging and with "lead" for moving targets. I've got both receiver (Williams) and tang (Lyman) peep sights on lever actions, but find the barrel mounted sights better for fast acquisition of targets less than 50 yards. The peeps come in at targets at longer ranges (with a tang sight, you can have both.) I also have a Guide Gun with a "Scout" scope setup and use a red dot on it. These are very fast, but you have to have it turned on. With this system I could keep 5 rounds of hot 45-70 in about 1.5" @ 50 yards in about 2 or 2.25 seconds. I have kept 5 rounds of mild 45-70 in about 2" @ 104 yards in less than 3 seconds with stock blade sights but recoil makes a big difference as dose distance. This is offhand, as shooting lever guns of a bench is a pain. For practice with regular or peep sights use a 6" black circle at 25, 50, and 100 yards. Shoot a whole magazine of ammo then inspect your target. You'll quickly see the arched trajectory, and learn to judge your elevation corrections. 6" is good for most "hunting" situations, except varmints, so this is a realistic goal and with time and practice you will do the 2" groups (If you ammo is up to it) Have fun. Ivan

 

[Stevie]

Spray paint?

Wingmaster

This is something I've been considering for my stainless Rossi .44 mag carbine.

I purposely chose a 20" stainless without the saddle-ring as a truck/atv gun.

The stainless Rossi serves well however it is a little 'bright' for the woods...and may soon be olive drab or desert tan from end to end...

As far as sights for the Rossi go...I've been getting along fine with the primitive factory open sights..However Rossi drills and taps for a scout style scope mount(right under the rear sight)...also available is an aftermarket bolt mounted peep sight replacing the goofy bolt safety...

 

[Alpo]

ok I guess I'm at loss here what is the tang is that where the stock mounts to the rifle if not can you pls show me what you mean.

Yes it is. It is the two pieces of metal coming out the back of the receiver. They screw into the top and bottom of the wrist of the stock.

Because the wrist on your gun is straight, the tang is also. With a pistol grip, both the top and bottom of the wrist will be curved, so the tang will have to have corresponding curves.

 

[kwselke]

This is something I've been considering for my stainless Rossi .44 mag carbine.

I purposely chose a 20" stainless without the saddle-ring as a truck/atv gun.

The stainless Rossi serves well however it is a little 'bright' for the woods...and may soon be olive drab or desert tan from end to end...

As far as sights for the Rossi go...I've been getting along fine with the primitive factory open sights..However Rossi drills and taps for a scout style scope mount(right under the rear sight)...also available is an aftermarket bolt mounted peep sight replacing the goofy bolt safety...

I know a guy that spray painted a Rem. 700 BDL all black. It was pitiful looking and a waste of paint and a fine rifle. If you wish to cover the shiny stainless try camo duct tape. It is reversable if you do not like the outcome. If you want to spend bucks there are camo dip processes or you can have it bead blasted to reduce glare.

 

[bishopm14]

Since it has been cleared up what you want with the stock, it can be done. Not exactly convenient though. Marlin never made a .357 1894 with a curved pistol grip stock. If they had, I would have been all over it.
The straight stock and associated parts can be swapped out for curved parts though. The buttstock themselves are all basically interchangeable from model to model. You will need a different trigger plate, which is the part that the lever itself bolts to, holds the trigger group parts, and the stock is attached to it on the lower side also. While the curved trigger plate has enough metal to be modified to fit a straight stock, I don't think the opposite is true.
Like I said, it's not an easy convenient mod.

 

[Doug M.]

One of the guys at Unity Tactical (also one of the top places to go for a RDS on your pistol) built up a .44 mag rifle with a good light, shortened, etc. He even fit a can to it. I am not sure of his name, only find his screen name over at LF, but I bet he can give you some good guidance on the things you can do with this rifle.

 

[NYlakesider]

I live in the people's republic of NY and have a few choices still available as a good defense gun. (I chose a hicap shotgun)

If I wanted a rifle and by some chance I could not use one of my AR clones (with restricted NY Mags of course) I would think highly of using my lever Rossi .45 Colt. It's a big bore and holds sufficient rounds to party with if necessary. I doubt I would change/add anything as like your choice ITS STILL A PISTOL ROUND and therefore limited in range.(KISS) The stock sights that came with the gun should do what is required from this type of weapon. I also have a revolver that will fire this ammo.

 

[Alpo]

... Marlin never made a .357 1894 with a curved pistol grip stock. If they had, I would have been all over it....

Is the gun this thread is about a MARLIN 1894? If so, that's a good choice, as it was designed for the short "pistol-size" cartridge.

I thought it was a WINCHESTER 1894, which was designed for a longer "rifle-size" cartridge, and then "redesigned" for the shorter round. It, occasionally, has troubles with feeding - especially if working it quickly. Would not have been my first choice, but since he already has the gun, we try to help the best we can.

 

[REVL33]

Is the gun this thread is about a MARLIN 1894? If so, that's a good choice, as it was designed for the short "pistol-size" cartridge.

I thought it was a WINCHESTER 1894, which was designed for a longer "rifle-size" cartridge, and then "redesigned" for the shorter round. It, occasionally, has troubles with feeding - especially if working it quickly. Would not have been my first choice, but since he already has the gun, we try to help the best we can.

yes it is a marlin 1894 I'm on my way out right now to pick it up I will address some of the comments later if I have time thank you every body and merry christmas

 

[bgrafsr]

Shouda bought the Mossberg.......

First off I would never be seen with a monstronsity like that, let alone buy one, and secondly if that is not the ugliest gun, it comes mighty darn close.

 

[Rastoff]

ok I guess I'm at loss here what is the tang is that where the stock mounts to the rifle if not can you pls show me what you mean.

Alpo has already answered this, but I figured I'd drop a picture in here to clarify.

This is my Henry Big Boy in .45Colt. I've added an arrow pointing to the tang. You can just see it above the lever and at the bottom of the grip.

As you can see, this part of the metal would have to be curved to fit the curves of a pistol grip.

 

[Alpo]

First off I would never be seen with a monstronsity like that, let alone buy one, and secondly if that is not the ugliest gun, it comes mighty darn close.

You ain't seen one of them "California-legal" ARs, then, have you?

See, the pistol grip is NOT separate from the buttstock, so it is not an evil assault weapon.