Look at the news stories about fathers who rape their daughters without being forced.
Someone puts a gun to your daughter's head and says you rape her or I'll kill her what are you going to do?
Little known WWII story....
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Look at the news stories about fathers who rape their daughters without being forced.
Someone puts a gun to your daughter's head and says you rape her or I'll kill her what are you going to do?
Well for one thing, I'm not going to get a rod. And I seriously doubt any of those Chinese did either.
Yes, that man was John Rabe.
As for Japanese troops in Nanking and Unit 731, those two things are nightmare fuel. I've SEEN PHOTOS of some of the things they've done.
cmort666
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And to give this a 2nd Amendment spin, this sort of thing is almost never talked about in Japan, not because it's illegal, or because nobody wants to talk about it, but because violent ultra-rightwingers and Yakuza in their employ THREATEN people when they do.Yes, that man was John Rabe.
As for Japanese troops in Nanking and Unit 731, those two things are nightmare fuel. I've SEEN PHOTOS of some of the things they've done.
Japanese are generally pretty smart people. They know that the cops in Tokyo are no more likely to protect you as an individual from a deadly force attack than are the police in Tulsa. I shouldn't have to tell anyone that it's nearly impossible for a normal Japanese to legally own a firearm. Hence, they self-censor... or are unable to get a venue (print, broadcast, film, etc.) in which to air these matters.
It's as if people in the United States were afraid to talk about lynching for fear that the Klan, backed up by criminal gangs would come after them.
It's easy to shut somebody up when both of you know the police aren't going to protect him (and can't) and he can't protect himself.
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DWalt
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Does anyone know about Stalin's personal executioner, a Red Army General who answered ONLY to Stalin? One of the most chilling things you will ever read. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Blokhin
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One of the major networks did a special @1990 called "Bataan the forgotten Hell". An interesting study of the Japanese mindset. Seems after the brutal march, the native fighters were forced to dig a long trench then crawl into the trench and be buried alive. Approximately 5000 IIRC. I have a particular interest in this subject as my uncle survived the death march, hell ships and forced labor camps in Japan.
cmort666
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I met two death march survivors when I was stationed at Ft. Knox in the '80s.
What I find even more despicable and repulsive than Japanese attempts at revisionism and denial, is WESTERN attempts to portray the Japanese as the "victims" of WWII. The most inane (and contemptuous of the Japanese themselves) is the claim that they were "tricked" into bombing Pearl Harbor. The Japanese CHOSE to bomb Pearl Harbor. It was a DUMB choice, motivated by ignorance and arrogance, but it was a CHOICE.
This particularly stupid proposition is based on the premise that somehow we had a DUTY to sell oil to the Japanese in order to facilitate their slaughter of the Chinese, and that furthermore, our refusal to sell oil to the Japanese justified their attack on Pearl Harbor. However, when you ask them if the Arab oil embargoe(s) would have justified a forceful seizure of the Arab oil fields, there's nothing but crickets in response.
But hey, there's no loathing like juvenile, narcissistic self-loathing...
THE PILGRIM
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Bataan is often talked about here in New Mexico.
NM National Guardsmen had already been called up and got killed and captured in the Philippines.
Dennis The B
US Veteran
At Camp Perry, Ohio, there's a plaque which honors the Ohio National Guardsmen who were called up and sent to the Philippines, and perished on the Death March. Quite moving.
Japan also carried quite a grudge from 1921, and the Washington Naval Conference treaty. They always believed that the British sold them down the river, when the Brits signed the treaty, and opted out of their previous pact with Japan.
The history of World War II is so convoluted and filled with intrigue, treachery, etc., that it could well be offered as a college major study area.
My uncles name is on the Bataan monument in Albequercie (never could spell the name of that town) and in Loving. A very interesting short read is the history of the 200th costal artillery which can be googled, was my uncles unit. He was from Hobbs.
My father did not talk much about the war but one time their was a documentary on the Battle of the Bulge and mentioned the Malmedy Massacre.He looked at it and afterward he said " we were only a few miles from those guys - if we had known what was going maybe we could have changed things. After that, we didn't take any POWs - especially SS.
Nanking,I can remember seeing a Jap soldier's film taken at that time....never saw it shown again.....grainy black & white.....finished showing some troops smiling shouting & laughing!Had a relitive servive the "DEATH MARCH"!My Dad was at Pearl when they hit....none of his kids forget DEC 7!
Jim
Jim
cmort666
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My father was 4F, but spent the 1941 Christmas holidays as a temp at the main Chicago Post Office, stamping mail addressed to servicemen stationed at Pearl, "Undeliverable, Deceased".
ironhead7544
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But if you take all the guns away from everybody, we will all be safer.
I suspect any politician that votes for gun control. Please dont be blind to the facts. Governments kill people. They need to be controlled.
I suspect any politician that votes for gun control. Please dont be blind to the facts. Governments kill people. They need to be controlled.
Snapping Twig
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Watching this today, you might like it.
Hurtgen Forest / Battle of the Bulge recollections from a vetran.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTE9BPmiZNo
Hurtgen Forest / Battle of the Bulge recollections from a vetran.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTE9BPmiZNo
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Rape is not sex. It's domination thru violence, using sex as the underlying weapon. Real rape- it's a brutal thing, meant to de-humanize. It's pretty far removed from some female waking up the next day with buyers' remorse 'I don't do THAT kind of stuff; I was raped after drinking and dancing all night...'
And the rape described in Nanking was certainly not the type of rape when a jerk slips a girl a Mickey and she wakes up in an alley or a strange hotel room naked.
As I understood it from some older soldiers who were in Burma/ China at that time, it was a thing where you beat and raped, or they disemboweled you and your family together type of insanity. Torture and depravity- not sex.
Getting seasick thinking about all this- I'm out on this thread.
BearBio
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My wife and I were talking just this weekend. I mentioned that, in my Masonic Lodge, we have 2 Brothers who survived Pearl Harbor, one who was "kamikazied" on a DE at Okinawa, and one who fought on PT boats. My own dad was a ground-crewman with the Flying Tigers (after they joined the US Army) I have known a survivor of the Bataan Death March (father of a friend) and a survivor of Auschwitz (A Swiss Jew, the mother of an old supervisor of mine). My neighbor in SoCal was in the Hungarian Resistance at age 12 and fought the SS as they retreated and fought the Russians in '56.
Disgusting as these events are, I feel fortunate to have met these individuals and to have listened to them as much as they wished to talk. Most of us really have NO idea!
Disgusting as these events are, I feel fortunate to have met these individuals and to have listened to them as much as they wished to talk. Most of us really have NO idea!
Will Carry
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If you go to the Philippines and want to tour Corregidor, you will not see any Japanese on your tour bus. They do not allow Japanese on the same bus as Americans. My father, at 18, fought in the Battle for Manila, 1945. After six weeks in combat he began walking in his sleep (something he did the rest of his life). He spent the rest of the war as a Tele-type operator for MacArthur. He never spoke about the battle.
If you Google it, you'll know why. They call it the Manila Massacre.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_Massacre
If you Google it, you'll know why. They call it the Manila Massacre.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_Massacre
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cmort666
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It was the ONLY battle of the Pacific campaign in which U.S. troops fought in a large urban area.
It was marked by ISIS style atrocities by Japanese naval personnel, whose commander disobeyed orders to evacuate the city.
It was a pretty good preview of what the battle for Tokyo would have looked like.
feralmerril
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"[I don't put much stock in the babies bayoneted tales. You can find that particular claim made about any and every enemy anyone's ever faced for at least the past century.]". Hold on there. I have several times seen that very film. Its been on the history channel. Years ago I worked with a Filipino. He pulled up his shirt and showed me a ugly bayonet wound. He was a kid and said his mother was being raped and he tried to stop it and was bayoneted.
I had a far right wing friend years ago who had been actor, (not a famous one, but made his living at it). He tried to tell us there was no holocaust. For instance I remember him claiming that some movie was made depicting that a pile of dead people in the movie were jews. The movie was being shown and some guy stood up yelling its a lie! Thats me walking over there! It was the bombing of Dresden, and we were piling the bodys up! Those were german citizens!
I knew better as I had a uncle that helped liberate one of the death camps and told me first hand. My uncle, himself of german blood, hated germans after that. I suppose that had germany won the war our history would have been wrote different.
I had a far right wing friend years ago who had been actor, (not a famous one, but made his living at it). He tried to tell us there was no holocaust. For instance I remember him claiming that some movie was made depicting that a pile of dead people in the movie were jews. The movie was being shown and some guy stood up yelling its a lie! Thats me walking over there! It was the bombing of Dresden, and we were piling the bodys up! Those were german citizens!
I knew better as I had a uncle that helped liberate one of the death camps and told me first hand. My uncle, himself of german blood, hated germans after that. I suppose that had germany won the war our history would have been wrote different.
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