Living with the CS45

18DAI

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I purchased a CS45 back in December of 2016. It was languishing (yes languishing! ;) ) on GB with no bids. Probably because it had some handling marks, was dirty and had no magazine with it.

As the early 4513TSW with the 6 round mag is my favorite 45 carry gun, I had purchased 6 round mags when I came across them. An excellent mag tutorial by Fastbolt educated me and showed that the 6 round mags differ from the 4513TSW mags by virtue of the stamped indentations on either side of the mag. I went through my mags after reading that and found I had 3 CS45 mags. So naturally, I needed a pistol for them. I bid and won on Christmas day. Merry Christmas, to me. :)

What followed was a long trial period with the CS45. I tried to like it and it tried my patience. It is the only 3rd gen 45 I have ever come across that was difficult to live with.

My first issue with the CS45 was holsters. The CS45 would not work with ANY of my 3rd gen 45 holsters. None of them. Thankfully, a very generous member here, who wished to remain anonymous, sent me a VERY nice IWB holster. He makes holsters and is VERY talented. (Thank you again!) I later found an outside the waistband Don Hume on Fleabay and later aquired a Bianchi model 100 for the CS45. Holster problems solved.

The next issue was the grips. While the OEM Hogue grip makes for a good firm hold on the CS45, it takes away from its concealability. The grips make the little 45.......bulky. And the ones on my pistol were sticky too. Despite repeated cleanings with 409 and rub downs with a silicon cloth. In fact, they grabbed at my undershirts to the point that they caused the CS45 to rise up out of the holster. One day at the market I reached down into a case and the CS45 came out of the holster an almost fell on the floor. I caught it due to my Chuck like reflexes. Disaster averted.

TercGens excellent grips solved that problem for me. They thin the CS45 down VERY nicely. And it is no more difficult to shoot when wearing TercGens excellent product. The CS45 is more easily concealed as well. And it no longer pulls on cover garments. Thanks again TercGen!! :)

The next issue was ammo. I have used Winchester RA45T as my duty round for over a decade. In retirement, I saw no reason to change. My 3rd gen 45s all shoot this round reliably and accurately - except for the CS45. It shot the RA45T accurately, but shortly after completing my reliability testing with the CS45 it developed a tendency to misfeed the last round in the mag - or kick it out along with the next to last casing being ejected. At first I thought it might be my grip, or a weak mag spring.

So I tried it again with fresh mags and concentrated on my grip. Same problems. So I did what I always do when I have a problem with a gun - I contacted Fastbolt! ;) We discussed the issue and Fastbolt suggested a couple of other 45 JHPs that my CS45 might like better as they were not loaded as hot as RA45T. I have finally, after MUCH testing and research, settled on the 230 grain Speer Gold Dot Short barrel load for the CS45. It shoots this load accurately and reliably. No issues. And I like the ballistics on this round out of the CS45S short barrel. One more problem solved.

And one problem left. The basepads on the CS45 mags. The CS45 fits my hand, BARELY. And the finger rest baseplates crowded my fingers on the grip. Not much of a problem during slow fire on the square one way range, but not what I required in a fighting pistol that would be needed in a hurry and probably at very close range. So I purchased two mags from my friend Redcardinal. He had shaved the finger rests off the baseplates and rounded them. Sort of like my 4513TSW mag baseplates. This enabled me to get a fast four finger full grip on the CS45. It also helped in controlling it during fast strings of fire. Thanks Redcardinal! :)

So, the CS45 and I now get along. Very well. I carry it every night I am on duty amd during the day at my partime job it alternates with the 457.....and sometimes the CS9. My long search for a very small, reliable and accurate 45 for daily use led me to the CS45. And although it took some effort and a bit of modification and several times I came close to selling it, in the end it became one of my most carried guns. And it was worth the effort. ;) Regards 18DAI
 

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Here's a pic of mine wearing some KSD grips . Got them off the forum here . Haven't shot mine too much , have to get off my a** and send it to BMCM . He took care of my CS9 and CS40/10mm , worth every penny . Got to admit , the CSs grow on you , they are great EDCs , and nooo plastic .
 

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I bought a new CS 45 when they came out. I carried it off duty for years, and once retired I carry it exclusively ( that is about 20 years. ) I carried it in a Safariland suede IWB holster while I was working. Since retirement I carry it in a Bianchi nylon fanny pack with secret holster. I carry Federal 165 gr. Hydra Shok in it. It has never jammed or had problems of any kind. I love it, it is my favorite handgun.
 
I started making my own kydex holsters since I love all these rare and older guns. Being able to fit them to my body specifically is a huge plus. Kydex retention takes care of the rubber grip sticking issue and the claw brings the thicker grip right into your body.

These chef specials are the best sub compacts I ever came across. Actually, they are the only dasa single stack subcompact that I know of, which fill a huge niche for me.
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BMCM is a member here . On my CS9 he changed sights , went through it , did some trigger work . If you are looking to something done , look no further . The man is a master at what he does , he took my CS40 and converted it to 10mm . Ask around , he has quite the reputation here .
 
+1 on BMCM. A craftsman along the lines of the Performance Center caliber - the 1990s Performance Center.

Those are VERY nice Kydex holsters! You have a talent jtj5002! ;)

TTSH I'm afraid there was not much "love" put into the process. More like.......hate.....caffeine........cussing. ;)

But I wanted a working, reliable example of the smallest TDA 45 made. So, I went the extra mile. But rest assured, if TercGen had not made those grips........we would probably not be having this discussion.

And after trying the Colt New Agent, Colt Defender, XDs Mod2 45 and several other compact 45s, it was either the CS45 or stay with the 4513TSW.

I'm glad it worked out. I have some attachment to my 4513TSW. And it is "retired". I only shoot it for fun these days.

But the CS45 and the 457 get carried regularly for serious purpose. Either is bet your life reliable and either is easily replaced should that become necessary. Both are a lot of gun for the money. Regards 18DAI
 
...I had purchased 6 round mags when I came across them... I needed a pistol for them.

...the CS45 it developed a tendency to misfeed the last round in the mag - or kick it out along with the next to last casing being ejected.

...settled on the 230 grain Speer Gold Dot Short barrel load for the CS45. It shoots this load accurately and reliably.

...And the finger rest baseplates crowded my fingers on the grip. So I purchased two mags from my friend Redcardinal. He had shaved the finger rests off the baseplates and rounded them. Sort of like my 4513TSW mag baseplates.

Glad you got things sorted out (finally) on the CS45.

Like you, I had an inventory of (6) rounds mags before I finally found a 3rd Gen variation for them that I liked & at a fair price, a 4553TSW pre-rail.

I agree, the flush baseplates have a better feel than the one's with the finger rest, especially if you have a large hand. They're the only ones I use on my 4553TSW too.

So why didn't you just use a baseplate from your 4513TSW pre-rail for the CS45?

When I first got my 4553TSW, & posted about it, I mentioned I had the same issue with the last round popping out of the magazine. No one offered any suggestions about it though.

I soon found my 230gr (+)P loads were the only ones that did it. Lower power 230gr loads were fine, as well as 185gr (+)P loads.

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Sorry I missed your thread BLUEDOT37! I am surprised that your 4553TSW with the slightly longer, slightly heavier slide exhibited a sensitivity to hot high velocity ammo.

My 4513TSW, pre rail, has never bobbled - BUT I don't use +P in it. Just RA45T. Which can be loaded VERY hot in certain lots.

I did use a rounded 4513TSW baseplate, which helped. But the rounded baseplates that Redcardinal made are just a few millimeters longer and a bit more comfortable.

Congrats on your 4553TSW. My similar 4513TSW is still my favorite carry gun and my favorite handgun. I just started breaking in a NIB example for eventual carry. Great pistols! :) Regards 18DAI
 
Outstanding write up of your experiences with the CS45, 18DAI!! What a comprehensive guide for anyone interested in this model and making it work for them.

I'll admit, I've never been that interested in the CS45 or CS40 as a carry piece, having other 3rd Gen models in both calibers that I prefer, and being leery of the ballistics from the shorter barrels. After purchasing a CS45 with the sole intention of making Delrin grips with it for other folks, I have come to appreciate it though. I find the CS45 to have less recoil and better accuracy than my 4513TSW pre-rail, and that's with modded Delrin grips. It's really quite a handy little gun, and I enjoy shooting it as much as my 457. While I don't carry 45ACP that much, I could very well see my CS45 making it into the Summer rotation in the future.

Kudos again on a great write up 18DAI! :D
 
What a great post and fitting tribute to one of my favorite pistols! One of the first and arguably best compact .45's EVER. I never had to consider concealed carry so those spongey Hogues make that little brick unbelievably soft to shoot, even one handed. I've sent less than 1000 rounds downrange (all factory 230gr.) so ammo has never been an issue. I will say that you can't rush the gun because it is small and doing a mighty big job so if you're not intentional it might hook up.
 
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