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I recently acquired a 7.62 Mosin Nagant. I'm a little confused about the bullet diameter. I've loaded for the 7.7 Japanese Arisaka with a Hornady .312" dia. bullet, the same bullet that the .303 British uses.

Privi-Partizans are probably about as authentic as they get and they are .311". I see that some bullets are are even .310".

The most available (I think) for me is the .312" Hornadys.

Which bullets in the .310" to .312" range are right for the Mosin Nagant???:confused:
 
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Annoying enough, the answer is the ones that shoot the best for you. The Russian built Mosins can have groove diameters that range from 0.309" to 0.314". (Throw, if you want, in the Finns who decided to use 0.308" grooves for a while.) Not a huge drama with open base bullets typically used, but it can take some experimenting to find solid base bullets that will be quite so tolerant.
 
Slug your bore.

There were 40 MILLION Nagant rifles made often under wartime conditions and usually to a low standard of quality. They vary in bore's diameter.

Only then will you know what pills to feed your communist boat anchor. :)
 
I've loaded for 7 or 8 rifles in 7.62x54R. In my experience use Norma brass and the largest diameter bullet in that family. Be sure to get the weight that is for the country of origin's ammo (usually 174 grain works in everything, but the POA won't match the POI)

WWI guns are now over 100 years old and WWII guns are almost 75, try loading to the correct velocity but with a powder that generates the lower pressures.

I also like 175-190 grain cast bullets, sized .001 or .002 over bore diameter and loaded around 1500 fps. You use the 300 or 400 pace setting for 100 yards.

Ivan

ETA: lever guns! Most of the Finnish rebuilds manufactured rifles have .308 bores, as do the few Winchester 1895 lever guns!
 
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One or two load manuals would be a good place to begin. Start with whatever is recommended.
 
Even in my Lyman book...

... they use both .311 and .312" diameter and pretty much sez what ya'll do. The barrels vary and slugging/experiment is the way to go.:confused::)

Thanks!

PS I really like this. It's a great shooter and I love the open v-notch sights that enable me to see the target well rather than squinting through a peep.

PPS. Silly me. I've got some factory PPU ammo that I know shoots ok. Why don't I just measure that for starters???:confused::D

PPPS It seems that most factory ammo has .312" dia bullets. That's probably a good starting plac.
 
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I got a MN a few years ago and to make sure what bullets I needed to use I slugged the barrel. As mentioned above, there were millions manufactured and prolly in different factories under different circumstances. Mine slugged at .312"...
 
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You right about the slugging...

7.62 = .308
The correct answer is to slug your barrel and use that dimension. It's the only way to really know .

The slugging is a good idea and I think I'll do it since I have no idea how much it has been shot. (It's a 1937 manufacture) And 7.62 mm does convert to .308" which does work in my American made .30 cal. rifles.

I'm not sure, except for the '3 line' specification (.30 caliber) how the Russians arrived at bullets several thousandths larger than .30 cal.
The whole series of .30 cal rifles included the .303 British, the 7.7mm Arisaka and the 7.62 Mosin, all of which are larger by a few thousandths than .308.

Anything under a 7.92mm, usually referred to as 8mm, seems to be a .30 cal.There doesn't seem to be any .31 caliber cartridges.:confused::confused::confused:
 
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I can't say why the Russians selected their bore size for the M-N (I bet someone here will share a great explanation!) but I can say that it's been suggested that their Makarov pistol was designed slightly larger than the common 9x19 (diameter, I mean!) because they didn't want any other Nation's soldiers to make use of their ammo if lost or otherwise out of Russian hands.
 
Jacketed bullets are very forgiving as to fit. An undersize or oversize bullet may work fine. I'd try at least two diameters, starting with .308.

With cast, use the largest diameter that will allow chambering a loaded cartridge without difficulty. This will likely provide best accuracy (providing alloy strength is compatible with pressure / velocity). Very slight engraving of the bullet nose or body, whichever happens first, is important with cast bullets in a rifle.

Slug the bore if you wish. Sometimes that's helpful; usually it's not necessary.
 
Watched a video for the two guys that kill weapons.........

DON"T ever load that rifle with......
15grs of Red Dot
57 grs of H335
a compressed load of 4350 or
47grs of 2400 powder !!!!

Other wise, the bolt will open without any problems.
 
The slugging is a good idea and I think I'll do it since I have no idea how much it has been shot. (It's a 1937 manufacture) And 7.62 mm does convert to .308" which does work in my American made .30 cal. rifles.

I'm not sure, except for the '3 line' specification (.30 caliber) how the Russians arrived at bullets several thousandths larger than .30 cal.
The whole series of .30 cal rifles included the .303 British, the 7.7mm Arisaka and the 7.62 Mosin, all of which are larger by a few thousandths than .308.

Anything under a 7.92mm, usually referred to as 8mm, seems to be a .30 cal.There doesn't seem to be any .31 caliber cartridges.:confused::confused::confused:

It's a European convention of referring to land diameter rather than groove diameter.

The .303 British has a .312" or 7.92mm groove diameter but has a .303" land diameter, so it was called the ".303" rather than the ".312" or the ".3118".

The British used the same convention with the .280 Ross and the .280 British, which both have 7mm (.284") groove diameters and .280" land diameters.

The Russians did the same thing with the 7.62x54R. It has the same 7.92mm or .312" groove diameter but they also used very deep grooves with tall rifling with a resulting more diameter of .300", or 7.62mm. Thus it is the 7.62x54R, and not a 7.92x54R. The followed the same convention of naming I based on land diameter with the 7.62x39.

The Japanese followed the European naming convention with the 6.5 Arisaka round, which has a 6.7 mm groove diameter (.264") but a tall rifled .256" land diameter which is 6.5mm. Thus it was the 6.5x50mm Arisaka, not the 6.7x50mm Arisaka.

The Japanese were impressed by both the 7.92x57mm Mauser, and the .303 British. The Imperial Japanese Navy just created a knock off of the .303 British cartridge and called it the 7.7x56R, again referencing the land diameter, like he British, but stating it in rounded metric units. The Imperial Japanese Army adopted the 7.7mmx58mm Arisaka as more or less a slightly smaller caliber copy of the German Mauser round, using a .312" bullet like the Navy. Since it had a land diameter of .303" or 7.696mm, they just rounded up to 7.7mm when they named it.

You see the same in thnaming convention used in the 6.5x55 Swedish, the 6.5x54 Mannlicher-Schoenauer and the 6.5x52 Carcano cartridges. They all have a .264" (6.7mm) groove diameter, but are named based on a .256" (6.5mm) land diameter.

The European 7.65s are the also named the same way. The 7.65x53 Belgian Mauser has a .312" (7.92mm) groove diameter, but uses the 7.65mm name to denote the .300 bore diameter.

The 7.92x57mm Mauser, commonly called the 8mm Mauser in the US, has a .323" or 8.2 mm groove diameter and a .312" land diameter.

The parent cartridge for the 7.92x57 was the Patrone 88, adopted in 1888 with a land diameter of .312" and a groove diameter of .319" with .318" diameter bullets. Accuracy was poor so they changed the groove diameter to .323" to get taller rifling that would hopefully be more accurate (but strangely retained the .318" bullet). It wasn't any more accurate, but it explains some of the deeper groove/taller rifling efforts noted above in the 7.62x54R, etc.

The Germans redesigned the cartridge using the "S" type spitzer bullet. They retained the .323" groove diameter and used a land diameter of .312" or 7.92mm, and thus named it the 7.92x57 Mauser.

If you think about it, we also followed the same convention with the 6mm Lee Navy (.244" land diameter and .236" groove diameter),as well as with the .308" groove diameter cartridges like the .30-30, the .30-40 Krag, the .30-03, and the .30-06 which were all named based on their land diameter. We also call it the 270 Win, rather than the "277 Win".

It's only fairly recently that we started naming cartridges like the .270 .308 Win, .243 Win, .244 Rem, .223 Rem, etc based on their groove diameter. And you've probably noticed that we have our fair share of rounds like the .280 Rem, the 260 Rem, the 6.5 Creedmoor, etc, that are again named based on land diameter.
 
I need to start reloading for my 7.62x54R rifles.

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Some shooters have gotten good results with .308" bullets in the PSL. I'm planning on giving them a try first.
 
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