Local shooting

[Chromedhearts]

Yesterday; the “Caretaker” of a special needs person went into a local restaurant to see how crowded it was. He left his charge in his car, where he also left a pistol.
The “development challenged” individual found said pistol and started shooting, apparently from the car window. An exiting patron was injured in the arm. The shooter was taken to an appropriate care facility and the care taker was arrested, charged with, I believe, Reckless Endangerment.
Just a cautionary tail about leaving a pistol unattended


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[HOUSTON RICK]

Preaching to the choir, there are gun vaults made for cars. Even if it is not welded in, a $50 safe can prevent unauthorized access and a lifetime of regret. Never underestimate a child's or impaired person's ability to find and fire your gun. Holstered on my body or in a safe.

 

[Muss Muggins]

There's a little more to this. The caretaker fled the scene with the shooter before police arrived.

Mentally-disabled man shot UA student after finding caretaker's gun in car, police said | AL.com

 

[Chromedhearts]

Thanks for posting that link.
I hadn’t read it.
I had been in the restaurant earlier with friends and one of them had called me to tell me what happened after I left.
Although justifiable; it would have been a shame if that particular shooter had brought return fire onto himself


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[Wise_A]

Even better--I just don't take my gun off.

 

[Ματθιας]

Last year, in ABQ, NM, a former governor and US senate candidate had four firearms stolen from his UNLOCKED vehicle four different times over a two month period. FOUR.

 

[BC38]

Last year, in ABQ, NM, a former governor and US senate candidate had four firearms stolen from his UNLOCKED vehicle four different times over a two month period. FOUR.

...and he didn't even have the excuse of being special needs (an assumption).

 

[Wise_A]

In New Jersey, a judge had much the same thing happen.

And people wonder why I rail against "truck guns".

 

[Muss Muggins]

Since three times the guns are stolen during home burglaries than during other property crimes, like auto break ins, perhaps we should rail more against house guns:

Bureau of Justice Statistics Firearms Stolen during Household Burglaries and Other Property Crimes, 2005-2010

WASHINGTON – About 1.4 million firearms were stolen during household burglaries and other property crimes over the six-year period from 2005 through 2010, according to a report released today by the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS). This number represents an estimated average of 232,400 firearms stolen each year— about 172,000 stolen during burglaries and 60,300 stolen during other property crimes.

 

[Chromedhearts]

I’ll bet most of those are either in plain sight or in obvious places like bedside drawers. Most thieves want to be in and out as quick as possible and want find a well hidden or locked away gun


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[Wise_A]

Since three times the guns are stolen during home burglaries than during other property crimes, like auto break ins, perhaps we should rail more against house guns:

Bureau of Justice Statistics Firearms Stolen during Household Burglaries and Other Property Crimes, 2005-2010

Really, Muss? Really?

I'd bet my life that the margin of "house guns" to "truck guns" is more than 3:1. In fact, I'd bet it's a helluva lot more than that.

Therefore, suggesting that "three times as many guns are stolen from houses as cars" is actually a pretty strong argument against leaving your gun in your car.

Your statistic proves my point.

 

[Chromedhearts]

Either way you look at it; the safest place to keep a pistol is in a holster on your person


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[gman51]

Last year, in ABQ, NM, a former governor and US senate candidate had four firearms stolen from his UNLOCKED vehicle four different times over a two month period. FOUR.

Well that's a new one for I lost my guns in the lake. Did the guy have a window sticker that displayed protected by S&W on board?

 

[Chromedhearts]

I remember back twenty something years ago, I think, FBI agents had left their long guns in a SUV overnight at a hotel parking lot; next morning they were gone. Seems like it was in Memphis.


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[Ivan the Butcher]

I remember back twenty something years ago, I think, FBI agents had left their long guns in a SUV overnight at a hotel parking lot; next morning they were gone. Seems like it was in Memphis.

I don't remember an incident in Memphis, but one happened in San Francisco!

I was also going to say the 4 time repeat "Victim" was a prime candidate for loosing his gun in a boating accident.

Ivan

 

[Chromedhearts]

I don't remember an incident in Memphis, but one happened in San Francisco!



I was also going to say the 4 time repeat "Victim" was a prime candidate for loosing his gun in a boating accident.



Ivan

It might have been SF, but I know it was some kind of select fire long guns.
I remember talking about it with our then District Attorney and he was very vocal about his opinion about irresponsible gun stuff and how he expected more from the professionals


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[chopshopcop]

I remember back twenty something years ago, I think, FBI agents had left their long guns in a SUV overnight at a hotel parking lot; next morning they were gone. Seems like it was in Memphis.


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It did happen in Memphis, in 1997. I worked on that case along with several other investigators.

 

[Chromedhearts]

It did happen in Memphis, in 1997. I worked on that case along with several other investigators.

Did they ever recover the stuff?


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[chopshopcop]

Did they ever recover the stuff?


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Most of it was recovered within a few days, several M-16 rifles, a couple of grenade launchers, and if I remember correctly, some MP-5's. A lot of the ammo was found with the stolen vehicle, the vehicle had been burned. None of the ammo was salvaged. I think some body armor and maybe 1 or 2 of the weapons were never located, at least they weren't when my involvement in the case ended.

Just about every investigator on the dept was pulled off their regular case work and put on this, only Homicide and Sex Crimes were left alone. For me, it started out being chosen as a warm body to stand on the perimeter and keep the news media out of the crime scene where a search warrant had been executed; by the end of that very long day, I had done 2 or 3 suspect interviews, typed out two more search warrants and went along to execute one of those warrants. Arrested another suspect, and got some useful information on some others. I think I finally got home somewhere around 3 am.

 

[Chromedhearts]

Crime of opportunity or did they know what they were getting?


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[Ματθιας]

Well that's a new one for I lost my guns in the lake. Did the guy have a window sticker that displayed protected by S&W on board?

No, but it was S&Ws kept getting stolen.

Here's the news story: (For some reason the local media deleted the story)

Gun owned by former New Mexico Republican Chairman is stolen from his unlocked car FOUR times in the same month by the same person

Gun owned by former GOP chairman is stolen from his car | Daily Mail Online

 

[Kernel Crittenden]

The OP case is a good example where the application of the S&W internal lock could of prevented an inappropriate shooting.

 

[Chromedhearts]

The OP case is a good example where the application of the S&W internal lock could of prevented an inappropriate shooting.

The application of some common sense would have helped also


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[Wise_A]

The OP case is a good example where the application of the S&W internal lock could of prevented an inappropriate shooting.

No, dude, controlling access to the firearm you're responsible for is what would have stopped it.

 

[BC38]

Really, Muss? Really?

I'd bet my life that the margin of "house guns" to "truck guns" is more than 3:1. In fact, I'd bet it's a helluva lot more than that.

Therefore, suggesting that "three times as many guns are stolen from houses as cars" is actually a pretty strong argument against leaving your gun in your car.

Your statistic proves my point.

My first thought exactly.

In order to mean anything in this discussion the statistics would need to be expressed as a frequency - how many guns stored in homes vs. how many stolen from homes compared to how many stored in vehicles vs. how many stolen from said vehicles.

What's the old saying? Figures lie and liars figure.

You can twist even something as objective as numbers to prove any predetermined conclusion you want if you just look at them the right way.

 

[nachogrande]

OR...

The OP case is a good example where the application of the S&W internal lock could of prevented an inappropriate shooting.

An ounce of common sense.