CAJUNLAWYER
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No soft drinks, no candy bars, no energy drinks-but you CAN buy a rotissere chicken. I like it personally but there will be great wailing and gnashing of teeth!
Long overdue-will be fun to watch
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No soft drinks, no candy bars, no energy drinks-but you CAN buy a rotissere chicken. I like it personally but there will be great wailing and gnashing of teeth!
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kje54
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As long as I can still get my daily 2 pound bags of potato chips I'm fine......... Oh wait. I don't have SNAP........... I also don't buy 2 pound bags of potato chips.
Never mind........
Never mind........
10 bucks says the states that complain and sue are the same ones with exorbitant sugar and soda taxes because they are so unhealthy.
YES!! cancer, heart disease, and diabetes are definitely unconstitutional!
I don't have SNAP but I support this idea 100% anyway, and I am ready to see .gov mandate taking the enormous amounts of salt and high fructose corn syrup out of our foods, picking up and running with where these SNAP waivers leave off - especially the d#%@&$ salt!! I think we American need to learn to get used to the taste of real food again, not salt - myself included.
I am normally against .gov sticking its nose in anything, but I can justify making an exception for that.
I am normally against .gov sticking its nose in anything, but I can justify making an exception for that.
I agree with Cajunlawyer.
The new SNAP provisions may actually wake some people up to their unhealthy food choices and dietary strategy for their family members. It's a shame the government has to educate folks through federal food programs, but if folks are in need of SNAP benefits then they should be thankful for all the healthy food choices still available to them.
Those rotisserie chickens may be loaded with chemicals, but they do stretch the food budget and are cheaper than fresh birds in the grocery meat department.
The new SNAP provisions may actually wake some people up to their unhealthy food choices and dietary strategy for their family members. It's a shame the government has to educate folks through federal food programs, but if folks are in need of SNAP benefits then they should be thankful for all the healthy food choices still available to them.
Those rotisserie chickens may be loaded with chemicals, but they do stretch the food budget and are cheaper than fresh birds in the grocery meat department.
You would not be able to carry a 2 pound bag of potato chips. It would be ten feet long and 12 feet wide.
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California under Schwarzenegger started restricting the use of EBT/SNAP/whatever after The LA Times ran a series of articles showing how often they were used at liquor stores, tobacco shops-casinos (!), how often they were used out of state. Schwarzenegger said it was obvious many people were not using this money to achieve self sufficiency, self reliance....
People I know who have volunteered at the local soup kitchens have said most of the people who come there should be sent to Weight Watchers. One I know has course in cooking, meal planning, budgeting, etc.
People I know who have volunteered at the local soup kitchens have said most of the people who come there should be sent to Weight Watchers. One I know has course in cooking, meal planning, budgeting, etc.
I thought the old 'Commodities' program was the right way to help those in need, but apparently giving away money is less trouble to administer.
kwill1911
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There is enough history and attendant data that we should know that social engineering doesn't work. In this case, you are essentially giving people money. You want to restrict what I can spend it on? OK, I'll sell you my SNAP card for cash and then buy what I want. I know it isn't quite that easy but it's not far from it. A better idea might be to go back to giving "poor people" cheese and rice. I ate a fair amount of it as a kid.
People used to sell actual food stamps for 50 cents on the dollar. Then buy what they wanted
So the came out with EBT cards, well, guess what? they sell those also along with their pin number.
Great system
So the came out with EBT cards, well, guess what? they sell those also along with their pin number.
Great system
When I was a kid it was just called food stamps. I had friends who received them. Back then you could only use them for staple items. Same with WIC which was for women and young children. Hell my dad worked 50+ hrs a week. Pizza or a candy bar were a treat in my house.
LVSteve
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I'm intrigued by all these waivers. Waivers for what?
charlie sherrill
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Several years ago I was in line at Walmart behind a rather large lady with a herd of kids. She had two baskets full and had a bag of dog food on top of one of the baskets. She was paying for her food with one of the government cards. The clerk told her she couldn't buy the dog food with the card. She told Junior to put the dog food back and get the dog four packs of steak, which he did. "He like steak." I had only a few things in my basket, so she was still loading her Escalade when I went outside to get in my 15 year old truck.
Just go to convenience stores near low income housing. You'll see people doing their grocery shopping in the way of energy drinks, Hostess cakes, potato chips, in short, the junk food convenience stores are known for. All paid for on their EBT card.
No matter what system you design, someone will figure out a way to scam it.People used to sell actual food stamps for 50 cents on the dollar. Then buy what they wanted
So the came out with EBT cards, well, guess what? they sell those also along with their pin number.
Great system
From what I'm reading here, being poor enough for food assistance must be great fun!
AND you couldn't get a US Attorney to prosecute them on a bet.People used to sell actual food stamps for 50 cents on the dollar. Then buy what they wanted
So the came out with EBT cards, well, guess what? they sell those also along with their pin number.
Great system
Bodegas in NYC have been selling everything including blunts, duece bags (now 10 due to inflation, lol), rocks, and liquor, for food stamps and 5lb govt blocks of cheese, for many years before.
And nothing will stop it.
And nothing will stop it.
If required to have x number of fraud specialists per x $ of aid provided, any governmental agency can shut off the bulk of the small frauds that are now so widely practiced. That's the biggest victory. Prosecution? Good luck.
One afternoon in the late '90s I got a request from our state agency in charge of 'general assistance,' which at that time was $200-$300 monthly for folks who had exhausted eligibility for all other programs. Seems they were sending a few hundred more gen asst checks to Colmbus, NM than there were mailboxes, so they sent a guy down to coordinate name information with the USPS there - they wanted my officer there just in case. After one day, nearly all gen asst checks to Columbus were shut off, as folks were making up names and IDs for shared PO boxes. One day and time for two state employees was all it cost.
The above would be much easier now with digitalization, but one needs to focus scarce resources on it. Smaller government is only better government if it's not stupid and misdirected small govt.
One afternoon in the late '90s I got a request from our state agency in charge of 'general assistance,' which at that time was $200-$300 monthly for folks who had exhausted eligibility for all other programs. Seems they were sending a few hundred more gen asst checks to Colmbus, NM than there were mailboxes, so they sent a guy down to coordinate name information with the USPS there - they wanted my officer there just in case. After one day, nearly all gen asst checks to Columbus were shut off, as folks were making up names and IDs for shared PO boxes. One day and time for two state employees was all it cost.
The above would be much easier now with digitalization, but one needs to focus scarce resources on it. Smaller government is only better government if it's not stupid and misdirected small govt.
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fiasconva
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OMG! What are they going to do when they can't use their cards to fill up their shopping carts at Walmart and Target with half-priced candy the day after Halloween, Easter, and Christmas???
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Hey, that government peanut butter is a heck of a lot healthier than the stuff sold commercially. A lot of it goes to school lunch programs, but Uncle could make out selling the stuff. Probably better & cheaper than the "organic" stuff too.
We've been in trouble for a long time. Heck, there's a store over on the West End ( Pittsburgh) that was selling cigarettes at the time for like 3 for a dollar.
I knew about an older man with cancer but needed money more than pain pills. He had these 30 mg slow release oxycodone pills that his son was selling for $30 apiece. The son OD'ed and the man ended up dying of the cancer.
After person A got in a bad accident, the first thing person B would ask was "What did they give you for pain?"
Yeah, we're still in trouble here.
I gotta worry about my son getting shot when all he's doing is robbing the store.
I knew about an older man with cancer but needed money more than pain pills. He had these 30 mg slow release oxycodone pills that his son was selling for $30 apiece. The son OD'ed and the man ended up dying of the cancer.
After person A got in a bad accident, the first thing person B would ask was "What did they give you for pain?"
Yeah, we're still in trouble here.
I gotta worry about my son getting shot when all he's doing is robbing the store.
Marie Antoinette said "let them eat cake". They chopped off her head.
A colleague at the community college I taught at in the 2000s to 2012 got a pain pill habit that apparently everyone but me knew about. I was teaching a night class when he walked in, sat down, and talked about a half-dozen topics of which I knew nothing, passed out briefly, then went down to his English class. I immediately notified security and the division chair - the later investigation revealed he would hit up anyone on campus with surgeries, injuries, or chronic pain for 'just a pill or two' in addition to a prescription scam.
He was fired (of course) and was dead within 3 or 4 years. Apparently he had undiagnosed cancer but didn't know until inoperable because he had no pain. Tough manure - addiction can be an illness, but actively scamming to support a habit is another altogether.
Terry G
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Our local small town Grocery store sticks to the rules. Still, you'll get some Welfare Momma trying out the new Cahiers patience. One Woman ahead of me picked the wrong one to mess with. The Cashier looked about sixteen and was quiet and friendly. Momma decided on not cooking that day and a bunch of prepared food on the no/no list and a 30 pack of Beer. The young lady told her that stuff was a nogo. Momma had a fit and was screaming and the Cashier canceled the entire transaction which was well within her authority. It took gut's, which she had. Momma went off still swearing a blue streak after the Manager told her she was barred from shopping there any longer. It made my day. I asked the Manager if he would give the Cashier a $20 bill and not say it was from me.
