Lots of LE going w/ the M&P

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Hello. I have a friend who runs a company that is a LE distributor for S&W. He has been very busy lately. St.Louis just purchased a ton of M&P rifles and 9mm pistols. No he is busy in Chicago selling a bunch of M&P pistols since they have discontinued the authorization of the use of Sig P320’s. Said he is selling a lot of the metal M&P’s in Chi-Town. Also had an agency who got a bunch of M&P 2.0’s about a year and a half ago. Traded them in for the metal 2.0’s. I think S&W is making some inroads in the LE market more so now than ever and the metal M&P seems to be a winner. Just a little info and some musings by me. Take care.
 
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Carried a M&P for many years now. Switched from 1.0 in 40 to a 9 in metal. Still love them all. Just a very easy shooting accurate pistol.
 
IIRC, the Chicago PD union president said that around 1,100 officers had P320s as primary duty weapons, but didn't say how many had alternate duty weapons that they could switch to their primary. For those who don't know, Chicago PD officers purchase their own weapons from an approved list of 9mm striker fire pistols (Glock, S&W M&P, Beretta APX, Springfield XD). It seemed like since the P320 got approved, officers were split evenly between P320s and Glocks at maybe 45% each, and the remaining 10% were getting M&Ps with the occasional XD here or there.

In theory, the department should have to compensate officers for disallowing their previously approved duty weapon, but since the FOP has far less power than the Chicago Teacher's Union, the city is basically kicking the can down the road, saying, 'Contract violation? Whatever, go ahead and sue.'

I've seen the ad flyers from your buddy's distributor, and they are certainly aggressively competing for the market share that the dumping of the P320 has opened up. I was a bit surprised that another S&W LE distributor besides Ray O'Herron was allowed to sell direct in IL, but that does just mean that there are two distributors covering the area like with Glock (Ray O'Herron and Kiesler Police Supply in IN).

IMO, the M&P will probably take less adjustment in presentation for a former P320 owner due to grip angle that falls somewhere between a P320 and a Glock. The slimmer M&P grip is also a better choice for the short, small-handed Latinas who've become much more common officers over the past decade.

I view the aluminum frames as a superfluous expense, and prefer polymer. However, the market has responded quite positively to the M&P Metal, and S&W is in business to sell guns at the end of the day. My theory with the M&P Metal is that it saved the manufacturing process and the aluminum sourced for the CSX after the first gen CSX was a bit of a market dud.
 
He said O’Herron has given up S&W and going Glock only so now he is available in the great state of IL. Kurt is a good guy. He’ll take care of you. I hope your FOP can step up because that is crap about not reimbursing. He was also talking about your guys talking about the big P365 Fuse. Something about Safariland having duty rated holsters for it maybe in August. Also seen 3 big boxes of Alien Gear and Safariland holsters going to your people switching to the M&P.
 
Since Chicago is so close to me I can't help but receive news from them on a daily basis. I also follow a blog run by a Chicago Police Officer who also updates his info daily. The news out of Chicago is worthless as it's pretty much BS and outright lies. The policeman's blog is spot on. The officers effected by the 320 issue are expected to pay for their new side arms using their contracted uniform compensation as it stands with no additional funds added.
Also mentioned was the sad shape the CFD is in. Engines are waiting repairs and ambulances are lacking. Chicago is broke and the mayor thinks the inhabitants have bottomless pockets and are willing to pay yet more taxes to live in a city who now knows no safe neighborhood.
 
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He said O’Herron has given up S&W and going Glock only so now he is available in the great state of IL. Kurt is a good guy. He’ll take care of you. I hope your FOP can step up because that is crap about not reimbursing. He was also talking about your guys talking about the big P365 Fuse. Something about Safariland having duty rated holsters for it maybe in August. Also seen 3 big boxes of Alien Gear and Safariland holsters going to your people switching to the M&P.
I talked to a detective I know, and he told me that Acme Sports Inc (the regional SIG LE distributor in Seymour, IN) is offering $95 trade-in credit for P320s towards P365XLs. It's like they know that the P320s will be unsellable at previously normal LE trade-in pricing.

Going off of what he said after going to a department scheduled vendor event (he's not a gun guy), SIG has apparently also made a special Chicago PD variant 'P365XL' that has the X-Macro frame. You might ask, 'How is this different from the non-compensated X-Macro?' Well, if it says P365XL on the slide, it technically complies with the existing Chicago handgun order that specifically approve the P365 and the P365XL. For a large department like Chicago, any general order change has multiple layers of review, which is time-consuming.
 

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