M&P 10mm Compact?

[oworthsr]

A year ago, I purchased a Compact 2.0 45 acp 4" barreled pistol and an M&P 2.0 (full size) 10mm 4" barreled pistol. Those two pistols share virtually identical dimensions - and each fits, with equal snugness, in my owb holsters.

So - to the OP, while S&W's nomenclature used to describe those two pistols differs (one is called full size, the other is called compact), I view them as functionally being virtually identical (save the calibre of course).

 

[Gman556]

So many think the 10mm is all that . Guess they never seen or fired a 40 super over a chrony !! 220gr bullet at 1350 fps is move'n right along for a pistol . Children ,, I mean adults and there - My toys better than your toy mentality .

Not much support for that caliber these days.

With the resurgence of 10mm it would be cool it it came back also, but not holding my breath.

 

[hardluk1]

Not much support for that caliber these days.

With the resurgence of 10mm it would be cool it it came back also, but not holding my breath.

Its not like I care as Ammo is available for the 40 super those that don't reload and barrels are available for a number of handguns for the guys that just got have a cartridge to brag about !! Silly boys and there toys .

Just stated that the 10mm is not all that , and mentioning the 40 super ammo can still be just one more choice for some braggers . Just remember if the brain or spine are not turned off with one shot no typical handgun cartridge is all that .

 

[Gman556]

Its not like I care as Ammo is available for the 40 super those that don't reload and barrels are available for a number of handguns for the guys that just got have a cartridge to brag about !! Silly boys and there toys .

Just stated that the 10mm is not all that , and mentioning the 40 super ammo can still be just one more choice for some braggers . Just remember if the brain or spine are not turned off with one shot no typical handgun cartridge is all that .

I think most who live in the real world, especially those who have first hand experience realize this.

There are always going to be gun owners who like to have a cartridge that they can brag about and there's nothing you, I or anyone else can do about it so there's no point in getting emotional. Does it make them a bad person.

I like 10mm but I know what it is and what it isn't.

One thing I like to do the day before a USPSA match is to shoot my 10mm because it will make my 9mm feel like a 22. It's like when you're on deck practice swinging your weighted bat.

 

[Well Armed]

I think most who live in the real world, especially those who have first hand experience realize this.

There are always going to be gun owners who like to have a cartridge that they can brag about and there's nothing you, I or anyone else can do about it so there's no point in getting emotional. Does it make them a bad person.

I like 10mm but I know what it is and what it isn't.

One thing I like to do the day before a USPSA match is to shoot my 10mm because it will make my 9mm feel like a 22. It's like when you're on deck practice swinging your weighted bat.

Exactly... 10mm isn't moving fast enough for to cause damage like a high power rifle round would. All 10mm does is poke holes just like other calibers. The extra energy simply allows some 10mm rounds to have enough energy to poke deeper holes. That may may a different with a big 4 legged creature with thick fur, muscle, fat, and bone thus allowing the bullet to better reach vitals, for self-defense against humans, it's pointless IMHO. I've seen simular grain JHP bullets in 40s&w and 40s&w darn near expand to simular diameters, but the only difference is that 40s&w may have gone 18"-19.5" and the 10mm an inch or and inch and a half further. Both rounds not hitting vitals aren't going to stop an attacker unless they choose to. Both rounds hitting vitals will shot a threat. Those who think 10mm is going to necessarily give them the "one shot stop" or kill someone deader just because it has more energy/velocity to travel a little further (often over penetrating), and just fooling themselves.

Also, the 10mm JHP that's typically sold is designed to somewhat fit into the FBI standards most expect from their JHP self defense rounds. It's usually under powered, yet those who typically carry the ammo will pontificate about how much more powerful their 10mm is while craving on 40s&w when they both perform similarly with similar expansion within FBI specs. Yes, you might get more velocity out of the 10mm, but both 10mm and 40s&w will be engineered to be within FBI specs regardless. I don't care how much velocity you get, but rather how is the round performance down range vs other rounds and how does that translate to giving you an edge in a self-defense scenario.

You can't tell these people anything because they usually become defensive and start talking about velocity, velocity, velocity and will ignore everything else. They think that because their slow handgun round (in relation to rifle rounds) has more velocity that they're doing so much more damage. They're still just poking holes. There's just diminishing returns with using 10mm for self-defense against humans and even many animals.

 

[Gman556]

Exactly... 10mm isn't moving fast enough for to cause damage like a high power rifle round would. All 10mm does is poke holes just like other calibers. The extra energy simply allows some 10mm rounds to have enough energy to poke deeper holes. That may may a different with a big 4 legged creature with thick fur, muscle, fat, and bone thus allowing the bullet to better reach vitals, for self-defense against humans, it's pointless IMHO. I've seen simular grain JHP bullets in 40s&w and 40s&w darn near expand to simular diameters, but the only difference is that 40s&w may have gone 18"-19.5" and the 10mm an inch or and inch and a half further. Both rounds not hitting vitals aren't going to stop an attacker unless they choose to. Both rounds hitting vitals will shot a threat. Those who think 10mm is going to necessarily give them the "one shot stop" or kill someone deader just because it has more energy/velocity to travel a little further (often over penetrating), and just fooling themselves.

Also, the 10mm JHP that's typically sold is designed to somewhat fit into the FBI standards most expect from their JHP self defense rounds. It's usually under powered, yet those who typically carry the ammo will pontificate about how much more powerful their 10mm is while craving on 40s&w when they both perform similarly with similar expansion within FBI specs. Yes, you might get more velocity out of the 10mm, but both 10mm and 40s&w will be engineered to be within FBI specs regardless. I don't care how much velocity you get, but rather how is the round performance down range vs other rounds and how does that translate to giving you an edge in a self-defense scenario.

You can't tell these people anything because they usually become defensive and start talking about velocity, velocity, velocity and will ignore everything else. They think that because their slow handgun round (in relation to rifle rounds) has more velocity that they're doing so much more damage. They're still just poking holes. There's just diminishing returns with using 10mm for self-defense against humans and even many animals.

If someone feels more confident with a faster bullet or whatever I could care less.

Some people here and all over the internet get too emotional over these subjects on both sides. Same thing happens with red dots on pistols.

Too many Chiefs and not enough Indians in the firearms community. Most think they're John Wick and Jordan Peterson all rolled into one.

 

[Mike-AK]

All 10mm does is poke holes just like other calibers. The extra energy simply allows some 10mm rounds to have enough energy to poke deeper holes.

What it does is give you in between .357 and .41 Magnum (neither of which are barn burners) performance in a semi-auto pistol. It is capable of significant ballistic performance improvement over the .40 S&W, analogous to the .357 over the .38 Special. It is an adequate chambering for a pistol carried when hiking in bear country. For home defense I like a .45 Auto. For concealed carry I like 9mm. I see no use for a compact pistol in 10mm. You lose the ballistic advantage and gain recoil in return. Not a good trade IMO.

 

[s&wchad]

I did a little pruning...

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[hardluk1]

Like normal , as a tread goes on its does tend to drift a bit off subject ! Wasn't this tread about some compact 10mm .ha