M&P 2.0 9mm Compact, 3.6" Barrel

[Woodman90]

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Originally Posted by Cheapskait View Post
This (the 15/13 round 3.6") will be a good choice for the appendix guys because grip length isn't as important for that kind carry.

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Originally Posted by Ballarnk
I didn't think about the appendix market having never considered it. Makes sense now.

I'm with these two, just started carrying appendix 4-5 months back and the shorter slide is right up my alley. Less to stuff down my pants. The longer grip isn't an issue on my frame/body type. In fact I like having more grip, helps in recoil management and speeds up follow up shots for me.

 

[Woodman90]

What he said. No matter how you carry the grip is what sticks out and pokes through your shirt/jacket

Might try another brand of holster which utilizes a "claw". I've used them with TRex holsters and Raven Concealment. More than just a gimmick. They really flatten the grip out to lay flat against you. Just a thought.

 

[rfd339]

I like it but if they made it like the 9 or 40c gen1 I would love it. They should've never did away with it. It was go between of the g19/g23 and h26/g27 size. To add it fits my hand sweet and shoots the same.

 

[CBStuard]

The 1.0C is still listed on the S&W website so there are still some out there I suspect.

 

[k31scout]

Looks perfect for me. I have a full size 1.0 M&P9 and carry appendix and have been thinking long and hard about the first 2.0 compact. Now this new 3.6" is to the top of my list with the thumb safety.

Next up I'm hoping for a new M&P 2.0 .45 in this shape and size.

 

[BigSky!]

I'm still not seeing why they felt the need to make the "compact" bigger than the 1.0 9c. Perhaps the new (G19 sized) 2.0 isn't getting the reception they had hoped for....

I think they wanted a "clear road" to launch the 2.0 compact to grab hold of that G19 size market. My speculations has been that the M&P9c 2.0 version would come out a year or two later. It may still happen. I do believe the 2.0 Compact is getting the reception they wanted. They are just timing the releases in a manner they have predetermined. It may be wishful thinking; but, I think and hope they will be coming out with the 2.0 version of the previous M&P9/40c.

 

[Cheapskait]

I like it but if they made it like the 9 or 40c gen1 I would love it. They should've never did away with it.

I would be surprised if S&W doesn't come out with a short grip model, using this new top half before the end of the year. Maybe call it the M&P SubCompact as making the frame is probably the cheapest part of the gun.

 

[cbunix23]

All the new variations are cool, the names are getting silly though, M&P 2.0 9mm Compact No Thumb Safety with 3.6" Barrel

 

[mscampbell2734]

Might try another brand of holster which utilizes a "claw". I've used them with TRex holsters and Raven Concealment. More than just a gimmick. They really flatten the grip out to lay flat against you. Just a thought.

I've tried appendix with a couple of different guns and holsters. The only thing I could tolerate for more then 10 minutes with a J frame. I'm just not built for appendix. My belt line is only about 2-3 inches from the top of my thigh and the muzzle digs into my groin and thigh with anything with a barrel longer then 2 inches.

rfd339 I'm with you. I bought the 1.0 Compact after owning and carrying Glocks for some time. I needed something between the 27 and 23 but Glock did not build it. I always thought the 27 was too small.

 

[ukcats]

While this new short barrel 2.0 compact doesn't appeal to me, I am glad they are making it. Choice is always a good thing. I am patiently waiting on the new 2.0 compact in .45. Hopefully that gun is coming soon.

 

[phpbass]

!0 Round magazine needed

Those of us who live in the state of NY need compact versions offered with 10 round magazines. ho hard would it be for S&W to do that??

 

[Cheapskait]

Those of us who live in the state of NY need compact versions offered with 10 round magazines. ho hard would it be for S&W to do that??

Not hard at all, if you consider that there are already 10 round versions for the full-sized M&P. All S&W needs to do is make slightly shorter plastic extensions to fit the 4" Compacts' slightly shorter grip. Just something that they'll get to eventually.

If Cali's roster of approved guns was open to additions, there'd be more demand or sales possibilities for the 10rd versions and they'd probably make it sooner.

 

[comiskeybum]

I dont agree with this direction by Smith at all. They need a 2.0 9c in the same size it was before.

Does not matter to me though since the P365 is exactly what I need in that size ish. And hey, maybe that's why Smith did this. They cant currently compete with the 365 directly so this is their new 9C. Who knows.

 

[Dpris]

You know what they say in situations like this: If it doesn't matter to you & the P365 Non-S&W Product is exactly what you need, why are you here disagreeing?
Denis

 

[CQB60]

As a fan and advocate of the original compact, I find this variant intriguing. I'm in and shall be looking for one when released.

 

[Cheapskait]

All the new variations are cool, the names are getting silly though, M&P 2.0 9mm Compact No Thumb Safety with 3.6" Barrel

Yeah, they need to simplify:

M&P9 - 4.25" 17rd
M&P9L - 5.0" 17rd
M&P9 Compact - 4.0" 15rd
M&P9 CompactSB - 3.6" 15rd
M&P9 Carry - 3.6" 12rd
M&P9 SideCarry - 4.0" 12rd
M&P Shield9 - 3.1" 7rd
M&P ShieldX -3.1" 10rd* (w/ P365 compatible mag)

 

[Dave Lively]

M&P ShieldX -3.1" 10rd* (w/ P365 compatible mag)

Sig has patents on the P365 magazines so Smith would have to buy them from Sig, not make their own. Sig magazines are not cheap and Sig could sabotage anyone making a gun that takes their magazines by not making enough. Smith is not going to take a chance on producing the next Bren 10.

 

[clarkstoncz]

Interesting.

I've thought that the 2.0 Compacts that I've handled were a bit bigfor what I'd use one for.

I'll wait a year and see if I can land a used one.

Do to my rebate battle over my PC .45 Shield.

Will never buy another new S&W product again.

 

[Cheapskait]

Do to my rebate battle over my PC .45 Shield.

Will never buy another new S&W product again.

Yeah well, any marketing program that both costs a lot of money AND angers the customer base is a sub-optimal business strategy.

Sig has patents on the P365 magazines so Smith would have to buy them from Sig, not make their own.

Uh-huh, there's a lot of stuff in patent law about novelty, non-obviousness and the inventive step, so S&W's lawyers should take a close gander at SIG's patent filings.

After all, it's just a tube with a spring in it that costs about 4 or 5 bucks to manufacture.

 

[Motorsporting]

I've tried appendix with a couple of different guns and holsters. The only thing I could tolerate for more then 10 minutes with a J frame. I'm just not built for appendix. My belt line is only about 2-3 inches from the top of my thigh and the muzzle digs into my groin and thigh with anything with a barrel longer then 2 inches.

rfd339 I'm with you. I bought the 1.0 Compact after owning and carrying Glocks for some time. I needed something between the 27 and 23 but Glock did not build it. I always thought the 27 was too small.

Actually, longer barrels (to a certain extent of course) are more comfortable for AIWB. Keeper's Concealment recommends, and I agree, buying the full-size version of holsters, even when carrying the compact models. The extra length helps balance the holster at the belt line, and instead of digging into your thigh fits more along the crease of your leg. YMMV.

 

[Charlier26]

Held it at the NRA show this past weekend. Hard to tell the difference between it and the 4.0" compact. I think it is intended for the appendix carry people. Kahr did a similar thing making a P9 grip size with a PM9 (Short) slide.

 

[mikesal34744]

Yeah, they need to simplify:



M&P9 - 4.25" 17rd

M&P9L - 5.0" 17rd

M&P9 Compact - 4.0" 15rd

M&P9 CompactSB - 3.6" 15rd

M&P9 Carry - 3.6" 12rd

M&P9 SideCarry - 4.0" 12rd

M&P Shield9 - 3.1" 7rd

M&P ShieldX -3.1" 10rd* (w/ P365 compatible mag)

Are they coming out with something that can compete with the p365 in the same size and 10 rounds ?


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[Cheapskait]

Are they coming out with something that can compete with the p365 in the same size and 10 rounds ?

Sorry, the 4" barreled 12 rounder and the Shield with the 10 round mag were just wishful thinking on my part.

 

[GKC]

Do to my rebate battle over my PC .45 Shield.

Will never buy another new S&W product again.

Well, time heals wounds, as the saying goes. Several years ago, S&W was running a rebate program for their M&P line that was $50 back or 2 free magazines. During rebate period, I ended up buying 5 M&P models, IIRC. Anyway, I was due 10 magazines. It didn't run any better then than this one has...people who submitted their rebate requests long after me were getting their magazines. I started calling CS, and calling them, and it was always one thing after another...out of stock, warranty needs were filled ahead of the rebate program, etc. Meanwhile, others were still getting their magazines. This went on for ONE YEAR...I kid you not. I finally started trying to get in contact with the executives of the company...having worked for a Fortune 100 company, I knew how executive complaints were received. Interestingly, while you can find out WHO the senior executives are (publicly traded companies have to list their officers) the contact info was not available. I spoke to supervisors and managers who said they could refer my complaint upward, but they could not give me the number.

Finally, one of my internet searched revealed the name and number of the VP of Finance of a holding company that was affiliated with S&W. I called her, figuring at most she might tell me it wasn't her area. Not only did she answer her own phone, she listened to my issue, took notes, and promised to call me back. She did call me back, and gave me the name and number of a senior manager in the gun company who was going to call me, and told me if I didn't hear from him within 24 hours to call her back. I did get a call from him, he apologized profusely, and sent me 14 magazines. Yeah, I probably could have asked for more stuff or have been a you-know-what about it, but after spending 30 years in management at a very large company, I know how things can go wrong...anyway, I got my magazines.

I've continued to buy S&W guns because they are good guns. Their rebate programs are poorly administered, but that has nothing to do with the quality of their guns or their warranty of said guns.

Never say never...it just means you have to end up eating your own words.

 

[mscampbell2734]

Actually, longer barrels (to a certain extent of course) are more comfortable for AIWB. Keeper's Concealment recommends, and I agree, buying the full-size version of pistols, even when carrying the compact models. The extra length helps balance the holster at the belt line, and instead of digging into your thigh fits more along the crease of your leg. YMMV.

I'll have to try that if I ever need to creative when carrying.

 

[NewToGuns17]

They would put out a gun in between the sizes I have already! I have a 1.0 9mm shield and a 2.0 9mm 4.25" full size. So it's just under 3/4" shorter than my FS and just under 3/4" longer than my shield. I can't justify it as much as I would love one. Is the frame of this gun the compact frame just with a .4" shorter barrel? If I had just started buying guns I think I would buy the 4.25" FDE with night sights and this gun (in the same configuration if they offered it).

 

[Stu Honea]

This is the first time I have seen this,so if I understand correctly,this is the new M&P compact 9, but a new version with a slightly shorter barrel?
I personally see nothing wrong with this concept for a defensive pistol. The barrell length difference between a Glock 26 and a Glock 19 does not change the external ballistics to a degree that would make any difference at all in on target effectiveness, with any of the better 9mm loads, or actually any 9mm load for that matter. I've chronoed all of these loads and found that there is only a few FPS difference in velocity,and the G26 actually ran some loads faster than the G19.(notably the 124gr. +P Gold Dot).

I believe this will also hold true for the 4/10ths shorter barrel of this new pistol.
I smacked my head when Glock gave us the 19X a short time ago thinking as a lot of people have that this was just the opposite of what they should have done. After handling and shooting one that was purchased by one of our County Police officers my opinion made a 360 degree turn!
If you think the slightly shorter barrel doesn't make any difference in draw speed using the scoop draw from concealment or in open carry,then you need to try it for yourself under a timer.
The only M&P's I currently own are Shields,2 9mm's and the .45 which is my daily carry. I for one am quite interested in this pistol now,with a 15 round capacity,and I'm sure the spacers for the 17 round mags will be included, just as they are with the 4n inch compact.
I wouldn't argue with any conflicting opinions as we all like and need different things,but for my own personal use this is one I want to investigate further.

 

[00 buck]

My first S&W in centerfire in over 25 years

Other than rimfire I gave up on Smiths after they discontinued the alum frame semi pistols.
Then they came out with this model...ok I was interested as it pushed all my buttons.
Got it today...my take.
Grip...I like it a lot. Aggressive for a positive hold.
Capacity...I don't carry a spare mag so I like the 16 round capacity.
Looks...it is a nice looking gun...well built...steel sights
Price...within reason
If it wasn't raining I'd give a range report...maybe latter.
So far no regrets.

 

[Dpris]

Picked up my sample today.
This one I REALLY like.

Looking forward to shooting it.
Denis

 

[Flyingfool]

I do not understand the issue with how horrible the compact is to comceal due to grip length.

I placed the new 2.0- 9c on this he glass countertop at a gunshop side by side with the shield 2.0 with 8 round mag. They were for all practical purposes the EXACT same height! EXACT.

Almost no one has complained and the massive success of concealing the shield!

So why exactly would this new 9c of exactly the same grip height suddenly cause this model to be so horrible to conceal!

Also one of the all time most successful guns, the G-19 has also about the exact same height. And few people seem to have issues concealing it!

What exactly is so completely unique about this 3.6" 2.0-9c that is so difficult to conceal compared to the G19???

I carry the shield with 8 round mag and installed pinky grip extensions for the shield 7 round mags. Again exact same overall height! Other than the shield being thinner and lighter, if the grip length is "the" critical element, how is it different?

To me having a 0.5" additional sight radius, alnog with almost double capacity, and even the added weight would tame recoil even more for quicker follow up shots, how is this anything but an upgrade?

I don't plan to get rid of my shield. I will keep that for "deep conceal" and maybe summer time, and carry the higher capacity 9c any other time. Identical battery of arms and sights and sight picture. I cannot think of a better duo combination for CCW.