I recently purchased a new 2.0 Full Size 9mm, it's my fourth M&P pistol and I've never been disappointed. When I brought it home and wiped it down I noticed what I could only call two minor cosmetic flaws. On the bottom of the slide there appears to be a small mark or what some would consider a "machining artifact". This is not visible when the slide is on the frame and can only be seen during a field strip. The mark appears to be under the finish so it obviously happened during manufacture. The second is what looks like a poorly molded "detent" which is the new part incorporated in the 2.0 slide stop "redesign". I would imagine these parts are batch inspected and this one slipped through. I've attached images of both. Other than the above mentioned everything looks great. I know some will say "just shoot it" and while I understand that guns are meant to be used (all of mine are) I also expect a certain standard when new. If these appear normal to the forum then so be it or if one or both look like something that should be addressed I would appreciate some feedback. Thanks and God Bless.
M&P 2.0 Flaws or Acceptable?
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Welcome! I could see either ignoring these or doing something about them, but since you have found and pointed them out I suspect you should contact customer service and see what they will do.
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I agree...your call. Neither are going to effect operation of the gun as I'm sure you know. Call S&W and see what they suggest...be ready to send the pics to them.
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I'd be interested to hear what S&W has to say after seeing the pics you send.
Are you able to modify the pics to add an arrow or circle indicating what concerns you?
bear in mind that service-grade pistols aren't exactly hand-rubbed, hand-finished and lovingly crafted as individual works of art.
Consider the possibility to very closely examine an expensive new motor vehicle and find the occasional imperfect weld spot or "artifact" in some spot of metal or plastic, especially where you may not see it without opening things of disassembling things.
bear in mind that service-grade pistols aren't exactly hand-rubbed, hand-finished and lovingly crafted as individual works of art.
Consider the possibility to very closely examine an expensive new motor vehicle and find the occasional imperfect weld spot or "artifact" in some spot of metal or plastic, especially where you may not see it without opening things of disassembling things.
Does your LGS allow you to inspect the firearm before placing the information on the 4473? Mine does.
If they do, if you are going to fret imperfections like these, I would suggest that you do a field strip and inspection prior to putting your money/card on the counter... Even if you buy online and simply pick it up at the LGS, you are not under obligation to accept whet gets sent.
If they do, if you are going to fret imperfections like these, I would suggest that you do a field strip and inspection prior to putting your money/card on the counter... Even if you buy online and simply pick it up at the LGS, you are not under obligation to accept whet gets sent.
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Did you field strip and inspect before you bought it? Bring it back to your dealer and show him your concerns.
TeleGuy53
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I could go either way. I AM very particular about my gear; on the other hand, it IS a tool. As long as it doesn't affect performance, I think I'd be okay with it, given S&W's lifetime warranty.
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Flaws AND acceptable.
These are middle of the road guns. They're made en masse and flaws like this are not uncommon. I'm sure S&W will fix them, but they don't have to.
These are middle of the road guns. They're made en masse and flaws like this are not uncommon. I'm sure S&W will fix them, but they don't have to.
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I completely agree. These are not Ed Brown 1911s. They are not priced or marketed as such and the cosmetic quality is acceptable for a sub $500 pistol.
I completely agree. These are not Ed Brown 1911s. They are not priced or marketed as such and the cosmetic quality is acceptable for a sub $500 pistol.
With the flaws shown, as long as it doesn't affect function I would not be concerned about it on a relatively inexpensive mass produced gun. If it were a high dollar custom then yes, I would expect and demand perfection.
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It will affect future resale or trade value. If you post pics of your pistol with these flaws, I personally most likely would pass and instead look for a regular 2.0 unless you lowered the price to make up for it. Not sure that everyone who is saying it's not a big deal would buy your example of given the choice between one without the imperfections. Also, not sure that if you posted a Taurus handgun with the same imperfections that the consensus would be the same. I'd wager everyone would make a big deal about it then...
If you can see into your future and you plan on keeping it forever, I wouldn't stress it. If you think that there's a possibility of a chance that you might want to trade it off or sell it, I'd cont act S&W...
If you can see into your future and you plan on keeping it forever, I wouldn't stress it. If you think that there's a possibility of a chance that you might want to trade it off or sell it, I'd cont act S&W...
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Yeah but, and be honest now, would you have even noticed these "flaws" in a picture if he hadn't pointed them out?
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I would shoot it first...if it shoots good...keep it.
I really don't see what the flaws are....maybe if you draw a red circle around them.... Flaws...what flaws ?
I really don't see what the flaws are....maybe if you draw a red circle around them.... Flaws...what flaws ?
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Yes, I would have noticed. Unlike the guy complaining about fit and finish here in this thread, the imperfections and fit and finish issues in the pictures in this thread are clear as day... To be honest, I don't know if I'd notice the shorts around the slide stop right away if he just handed me his gun, but I would if he showed me a picture without having to point it out. If I purchased the gun, I'd notice it eventually as well. The little unfinished bump under the slide is very noticeable, but I personally doubt I'd care all that much about that as much as the shorts in the frame from the ejection molding process...
Like I said, if the OP had switched the name from S&W to Taurus, many would feel differently.
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Okay, are the "flaws" are the small machining "nick" on the bottom of the slide rail, and the "uneven" (?) finish texture under the slide stop lever assembly's tab?
Man, have any of you guys ever owned a Colt Government Model or Commander? The "machining marks", especially on the underneath of the slide, can be a pretty interesting road map of markings. We joked about the continued use of old machining equipment in the Colt Model O Pistol armorer class I attended several years ago.
How about the not uncommon little machining marks visible on many of the older S&W revolvers, especially their stainless ones? I remember looking at various early production 686's and thinking to myself that it was surprising when I came across one that didn't have too many obvious machining marks on the frames, barrels or cylinders, or a "clean" (of nicks, dings, etc) cylinder face.
How about the unpredictable amount of extra plastic "flashing" often visible on some Glocks, especially around the rail insert fixtures where they stick up out of the frame?
Or the way the plastic hasn't always flowed and filled in around the middle of the front frame rail fixture (on "top"), which has caused many, many buyers to go online and ask if their frames were cracked? They weren't, of course. Hell, I saw one older production G17 in our training inventory which had the whole lower/middle of the front rail fixture bare on top, where the plastic didn't flow in the mold to cover the middle of the "U" shaped fixture in the frame.
I've certainly seen my fair share of little nicks, dings, scratches and gouges in plastic frames of other guns (other than S&W), too. Right out of the box. Of course, those were all "service grade" guns produced by computer and assembled by hand. Plastic scratches more easily than metal, too.
Then again, I've seen some marks left on plastic pistol frames by new plastic holsters, too.
Hey, buy budget and get budget. When they start offering hand-rubbed, hand-finished plastic pistols using slides and barrels that have been hand-selected for pristine surfaces, edges and finishes? The cost will probably be more than the sub-$350 price you can buy a M&P 40c 2.0 for in some places.
Man, have any of you guys ever owned a Colt Government Model or Commander? The "machining marks", especially on the underneath of the slide, can be a pretty interesting road map of markings. We joked about the continued use of old machining equipment in the Colt Model O Pistol armorer class I attended several years ago.
How about the not uncommon little machining marks visible on many of the older S&W revolvers, especially their stainless ones? I remember looking at various early production 686's and thinking to myself that it was surprising when I came across one that didn't have too many obvious machining marks on the frames, barrels or cylinders, or a "clean" (of nicks, dings, etc) cylinder face.
How about the unpredictable amount of extra plastic "flashing" often visible on some Glocks, especially around the rail insert fixtures where they stick up out of the frame?
Or the way the plastic hasn't always flowed and filled in around the middle of the front frame rail fixture (on "top"), which has caused many, many buyers to go online and ask if their frames were cracked? They weren't, of course. Hell, I saw one older production G17 in our training inventory which had the whole lower/middle of the front rail fixture bare on top, where the plastic didn't flow in the mold to cover the middle of the "U" shaped fixture in the frame.
I've certainly seen my fair share of little nicks, dings, scratches and gouges in plastic frames of other guns (other than S&W), too. Right out of the box. Of course, those were all "service grade" guns produced by computer and assembled by hand. Plastic scratches more easily than metal, too.
Then again, I've seen some marks left on plastic pistol frames by new plastic holsters, too.
Hey, buy budget and get budget. When they start offering hand-rubbed, hand-finished plastic pistols using slides and barrels that have been hand-selected for pristine surfaces, edges and finishes? The cost will probably be more than the sub-$350 price you can buy a M&P 40c 2.0 for in some places.
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