M&P 40 VTAC Striker Safety Plunger Question

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I noticed while cleaning my M&P 40 VTAC that I was able to push on the striker so that the firing pin would become exposed though the bolt face and that the safety plunger was depressed. To get the striker safety plunger to pop back out I had to push the striker back to the rear to engage the striker safety.
At this point I reassembled the firearm and dry fired it. Then when I locked the slide back to see if the striker safety plunger was engaged it was not. I was able to push the striker forward and expose the tip of the firing pin through the bolt face. To get the striker safety to engage I would have to let the slide go into battery. Now I have two M&P 40 Vtacs and a M&P 45 but only my VTAC 40's are doing this. My buddy also has a VTAC 40 and his does not do this either. I dont know if im explaining this correctly but is this a non issue? Im just afraid that this can cause a slam fire or an accidental discharge if the weapon is dropped?
 
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Interesting. Both your 40 VTACs are doing this?

I haven't looked at mine that closely and won't be able to for another week, but assuming it's not normal, I wonder if the 'PVD' finish might be causing it since it has a rougher texture. Sounds like it could be causing the plunger to hang up if I'm understanding you correctly.

How many rounds do you have through your VTACs? If it's new, consider firing it some more. The PVD wears pretty quickly. If not it sounds like you should contact S&W or remove the rear sight and take a closer look at the plunger hole and plunger.

I'll be interested to hear what you figure out.
 
I'm with Jiman, sounds like something might be going on there. If you have the tools and know how, I'd push out that rear sight from left to right and take a look at the disk/spring/plunger and then pull out the striker assembly. If nothing else, you can replace all those parts for pretty cheap.
 
Thanks for the replies and considering that you are a Glock and M&P armorer this has me concerned. One of the VTACs is unfired and my other one has 150 rounds through the pipe. My buddies VTAC 40 is unfired but it does not do what both of mine does. I just dont get why some M&Ps do this while others don't. Just in case you're wondering all three of the VTAC 40s had a 2014 date on the envelope with the test fire casing.
Well I did some more research and it turns out that im not the only one with this issue or possible issue. A guy on this forum said his M&P 45 was doing the same thing. A couple guys responded saying this is a normal occurance and a non issue. One person said all of his M&Ps including his 4 Glocks do the same.
After I played around with it some more noticed that the striker safety plunger would engage into the safety position when the slide would go just about into battery. I would say the striker safety would engage about 4 millimeters before it goes into full battery. Maybe I should contact CS and talk to one of their technical guys.
 
This is normal.

That extra bit the striker needs to be pushed back to engage the striker block happens when you drop the slide. The sear catches the striker, then the striker block engages.

There is no issue.

There is absolutely no way to get a round in the chamber without the striker block being engaged.

How do I know this?

I called S&W and asked about this very subject not even 2 days ago.:p

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I talked to Paul btw, he passed me to a tech.
 
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Okay, first things first. I have no way of knowing what's happening with your M&P (as a M&P pistol armorer) without examining your particular pistol.

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At this point I reassembled the firearm and dry fired it. Then when I locked the slide back to see if the striker safety plunger was engaged it was not.

That's odd. At first I was just going to post the normal striker safety plunger check armorers do, but then I thought I'd try to duplicate your unusual "test", according to what I thought you're describing in the above quote.

I pulled one of my M&P's from the safe and tried to duplicate what you wrote (in the quoted section) about dry-firing and checking the striker safety plunger condition. My striker returned rearward and the safety plunger returned to the normal position (popped out fully).

I couldn't duplicate what you described ... until I removed the striker return spring from my striker assembly.

Then, installing the striker assembly sans the striker return spring, after dry-firing and retracting the slide, locking it back, I checked the safety plunger. I consistently found I had to pull back on the striker a bit (which was stuck forward more than normal) in order to reset the striker safety plunger (let it pop out). Does that sound like what's happening in your M&P's?

Take your M&P's and remove the slides, so you can look into the opening at the rear of the striker channel. Look immediately forward of the feet of the strikers, at what's exposed on the striker assemblies. Can you see a couple coils of the striker return spring in all the guns? If not, and the spring is missing in the affected guns, that's a problem.

If all the striker return springs are present, however, the cause is probably elsewhere. (As an armorer, I'd still remove and disassemble the striker assemblies, to double check for broken, damaged or defective striker return springs.)

The next thing I'd check would be the striker safety plungers and their machined channels. This means removing the rear sights, so it's a job for someone with a sight pusher and some experience.

The current safety plunger spring is a 1-piece unit incorporating the spring and the spring plate, unlike the previous design where the spring and spring plate were separate parts (and could make for some occasionally challenging reassembly). It also reduces the chance for an improperly positioned top coil of the spring (such as being bent or folded over), since it's now attached at the bottom of the spring plate.

Might still be a problem with how the bottom of the spring was inserted into the plunger, though. Dunno, but some Glock owners have sometimes caused themselves problems with improperly inserted/set safety plunger springs.

Might also be something gummed up inside the plunger spring and/or plunger channel, hindering freedom of movement of the plunger.

Also, as someone else mentioned, I'd check for any burred edges of the plunger hole, to make sure the plunger moved freely as intended. If this is the case, I'd send the guns back and let the repair techs do their thing under warranty (and carefully document your concern and what's you've experienced in a letter included with EACH boxed gun). Don't assume. ;)

Letting the repair techs examine the guns would also let them eyeball the strikers and plungers (and replace them if anything looks remiss).

Dunno, just some thoughts about where I'd start.

Now, as far as normally checking the functioning of the safety plunger? A S&W M&P pistol armorer verifies the striker safety in a M&P pistol is functioning properly using these steps:

Remove the slide from the frame of an empty pistol, because the checks are done with the slide removed from the frame.

*Pull the striker to the full rear position and slowly let it forward. (This sets the proper striker/plunger relationship.)

*Push the striker forward. It should NOT move past the striker safety plunger and protrude from the breech face. If does, it's recommended the armorer replaces the striker (and probably the striker safety, but S&W likes to be very cautious about such things, so the striker is listed as being replaced). Re-check to make sure the problem has been corrected.

*Next, push down on the striker safety plunger and hold it down. Push the striker forward. The striker should move forward past the safety plunger and protrude from the breech face.


Now, if you don't initially pull the striker to the full rear position (and then let it slowly forward until it stops), it's sometimes caused some owners some concern when they found could push the striker forward. What's actually happened is that they hadn't known the striker had to be positioned in a certain relationship to the safety plunger to even begin the check.

FWIW, I'd be a little surprised if you were missing a couple of striker return springs, but weirder things have happened. The striker assemblies (like the trigger bar assemblies) are assembled in-house from vendor supplied parts. If the parts dept person(s) misses a step (striker return spring) ... an "oops" slips out the door.

But hey, I stopped being surprised when I encountered my 2nd or 3rd .45 magazine (3rd gen mags) which had the mag springs installed upside down and backwards. :confused: Not something I would've expected to happen ... but it did. Sigh ...

Let us know what you find and decide.
 
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Maybe I'm just not understanding what the OP meant and wrote, but it doesn't sound like what the person in the video clip is concerned about.

There's probably a good reason for S&W stating that the striker has to be fully retracted to set it and safety plunger positioning before performing the striker safety plunger check. ;)

It's not surprising that someone not fully familiar with how the gun is designed to operate, and how safety checks are supposed to be performed, might become concerned if they do something other than is recommended when "checking" some aspect of the functioning & operation.

I'd not think to do what the person in video clip is doing to his Shield.

Then again, I haven't yet gone through the new 4-hour Shield armorer class, either (nor the separate M&P Bodyguard 380 class). If there are any minor differences in the smaller Shield guns compared to the regular & compact M&P's, including safety checks, I haven't yet been trained for them.
 
What he does to his shield in that video, happens on my newly produced compact 9mm.

It does not however happen on my fullsize 9mm.

I will swap the strikers out tomorrow and see if it is a striker related issue, or a machine burr issue, etc...
 
The video sums it all up. Thanks for finding that video.
So is this a non issue? The reason why I ask is it seems as though it varies from pistol to pistol.
 
From what a technician at S&W told me, it's a non-issue.

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I edited this because the question I had I answered myself, and would just confuse any future people looking at this thread for answers.
 
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This is normal.

That extra bit the striker needs to be pushed back to engage the striker block happens when you drop the slide. The sear catches the striker, then the striker block engages.

There is no issue.

There is absolutely no way to get a round in the chamber without the striker block being engaged.

How do I know this?

I called S&W and asked about this very subject not even 2 days ago.:p

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I talked to Paul btw, he passed me to a tech.

Lol nice but I still don't get why both lf my M&P 40s does this whe my buddies doesn't. Very strange...
 
Nevermind, ignore what I said, this is a non-issue completely, as you can replicate this on older guns.

It's not a backward and forward movement issue, it's a side to side tolerance issue between the face of the striker that contacts the block, and the block.


Sharpshooter, I have a test for you.

Take your slide off, and do what you normally do to get the striker to move back and forth, but instead of pushing it to the rear of the slide, push it sideways towards the striker block. Let me know if the block releases. You'll hear it.

I have replicated this on my full size that was manufactured in 2012.
 
Mine barely moved towards the block before it let loose. A hair maybe.

I'm sure a few swipes with a fine hone will fix it, but it's nothing that's going to keep me up at night.
 
Guys, don't you think that if this odd manipulation of the safety plunger was something important for armorers to check, that S&W would be training its armorers to do it and "check for it"?

Instead, they have specific, different steps for a safety check procedure for the striker safety plunger.

Sharpshooter76, do all your M&P's have a striker return spring visible in front of the striker foot?

Do they pass the listed factory recommended inspection for the striker safety plunger?

Now, think about the condition that you're manually setting up for your gun when doing this dry-fire manipulation ...

You dry-fire the gun ... and then retract the slide (to simulate the rearward recoil stroke) ... but then, instead of letting the slide run forward, you're "stopping" the slide and locking it back to "check" the plunger.

If you were to let the slide run forward ... as it would when actually being fired ... the striker would be caught by the sear tail and then pulled to the rear ... which would, at some point (as you discovered yourself) ... "reset" the safety plunger (as is done when pulling back on the striker to do the normal safety check ;) ).

The company must want armorers to set the striker & safety plunger relationship up a certain way before doing the safety check for a reason, don't you think?

Do you expect the gun to fall with the slide still back, before the safety plunger has been reset by the slide running forward (and before the slide has closed to pick up and chamber a round) ... and somehow have the striker be forced forward to protrude through an empty breech face while the slide is still back? Do you anticipate having a round against the breech face with the slide locked to the rear (before it's had a chance to pick up a fresh round)?

I'm confused.

Maybe I should contact CS and talk to one of their technical guys.

Maybe so. ;)

If nothing else, it would probably reassure you to hear the opinion by the actual gun company, instead of strangers online. :)
 
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