M&P Pro CORE 9mm w/ Burrris Fastfire III

[falconman515]

Just pulled the trigger on the FastFire III today!!!!!

Got it for $195 Shipped! (W/ Picatinny rail)

Couldn't pass up that deal At All

Could have got the non-rail version for $179 but figured why not in case I want to use it on the AR at some point and also good for re-sale if ever to have that option with it for an $16 bucks.

I will post pics once I get it and install on the M&P9 CORE and follow up with shooting details sometime this month hopefully.

 

[AVG]

Range trip today finally got to zero in this guns red dot and Sig laser. At this range I was their at 10:00 am I was all alone for about half hour which was good when you are adjusting settings on sights. I only had to make a quarter turn on each adjustment to get it on target. I put 100 rounds thru it today all worked good no hang ups...........

 

[falconman515]

AWESOME !!!

Glad to hear it was a quick sighting and zero and you didn't have crank it to much one way to sight it in correctly.

Looks KILLER in my opinion ... really looking forward to picking up my CORE Monday and the FastFire is due to be delivered Monday as well.

Thanks for the update and pic .. I will be sure to get in some pics as well once mine is all set-up.

 

[falconman515]

My M&P9 Pro Series C.O.R.E Long Slide has arrived and new Burris FastFire III has been installed!!!

Here are some pics of my new baby ... hope she shoots as good as she looks!

And yes the correct plate and screw to use on this when mounting on a CORE is Plate Type 5 and Type "B" screws ... fits like a glove and installed in about 2 minutes! (FYI you will need a 5/64" Hex / Allen Wrench to remove stock plate and instal).

 

[falconman515]

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Added the Burris FastFire III to the M&P C.O.R.E Compatible Optic List to represent the correct plate and screws needed to easily install.

Will work the same with a FFII as well from what I gather.

S&W never added it to the "compatible" list not that it doesn't fit like a glove with that plate and screw combo but it does not perfectly co-witness so they never saw it as being a reflex do add to the list because of that one feature that they talk about and the FF does not do is all.
I have no need for the co-witness capability (why would I want to use the irons through the glass at the range ... I can see a need for it in competition but not a casual range shooter like myself).

 

[falconman515]

Anyone else using the FastFire III on their M&P?

I have only shot mine once but not at a range (was camping) so I have not yet been able to zero the red-dot and see how it holds, works, etc.

 

[trekkie]

I think i'll get one. The price compared to the others is too nice. I've been wanting to pull the trigger on a CORE 5L but wanted to do it when I can afford the red dot and the gun at the same time.

Doing the Burris would make that happen

The question I have is do I want the 3 MOA or 8 MOA version? I know what MOA is but never put one on a gun so trying to figure out if there's any value in the 8 MOA over the 3.

 

[falconman515]

Most use a lower Moa since we're not shooting targets at like 50-100+ yards like on red-dots used on ARs etc.
When shooting at like 10-25 yards the smaller the dot the better ... I think anything larger then like a 3/4 would cover to much target to be precise at close range ... This FFIII seems to a great size

 

[trekkie]

oh. ok, so the 'moa' number in the description is how big the dot on the screen is?

 

[Mydogmax]

Another question regarding the co-witness. I see that the deltapoint co-witnesses with the CORE sights. In other words does it mean that the dot will sit on top of the front sight and align from side to side with the rear sights allowing you to use both the dot and the sights if you wanted to? And if the Burris does not co-witness does that mean that the dot somehow block the front sight? Does the frame of the Burris somehow block the stock sights? I've read good things about the Burris (especially the price) but I'd like it to work. I know nothing about the "red dot" sights.

 

[Bkreutz]

Another question regarding the co-witness. I see that the deltapoint co-witnesses with the CORE sights. In other words does it mean that the dot will sit on top of the front sight and align from side to side with the rear sights allowing you to use both the dot and the sights if you wanted to? I know nothing about the "red dot" sights.

That's how I zeroed my Deltapoint when I put it on, haven't had to re-zero in 40K rounds. Can't comment on the Burris, never used one.

 

[falconman515]

Another question regarding the co-witness. I see that the deltapoint co-witnesses with the CORE sights. In other words does it mean that the dot will sit on top of the front sight and align from side to side with the rear sights allowing you to use both the dot and the sights if you wanted to? And if the Burris does not co-witness does that mean that the dot somehow block the front sight? Does the frame of the Burris somehow block the stock sights? I've read good things about the Burris (especially the price) but I'd like it to work. I know nothing about the "red dot" sights.

Co-witness just means you can see the basic iron sights AND the red-dot.

With the Burris FF it sits a touch higher so it covers about half of the rear sight cutout and also half of the front sight ... so really what it does is take away the "co-witness" and leave you with primarily the red-dot reflex only.

So why do you need both? You really don't only reason you would Ever use your stock sights through a glass reflex optic is if the red-dot shut off, battery drained, malfunction in reflex, etc. ..... So if this important for say competition shooting then YES it is important ... but if you are a regular weekend range warrior or any other kind of shooting to where if the battery dies you just replace it then and there or if it malfunctions just take it off .... then NO co-witness is pointless.

So based on that fact .... I had no need for the co-witness and in turn no need to spend 2 to 3 times as much on the same reflex you get from a FFIII as you would get with a DP or even RMR.

Mind you you can still see the top end of the sights ... it doesn't cover them completely so that helps a touch when your sighting in or getting an idea where you red-dot should sit.

For the price difference Not worth the extra for the other top end reflex's ... and if you just use it for range shooting or target practice etc and not competition where the back-up sights are needed ... Burris FFIII with the warranty you get is MONEY!!!

 

[hardluk1]

I also will CC a Core pistol so for me its worth going to a no battery rmr optic and the sights are easy to see in my trijicon rm05g. Not twice as much but close to it.

 

[falconman515]

I also will CC a Core pistol so for me its worth going to a no battery rmr optic and the sights are easy to see in my trijicon rm05g. Not twice as much but close to it.

You can get a FFIII for just under 200 (bout $180 for just the reflex no pic rail)... So ya its 2-3 as much for Anything else!

 

[reckless1911]

what would be the process needed to mount one of these onto a regular FS MP40 if its even worth it?

 

[Bkreutz]

what would be the process needed to mount one of these onto a regular FS MP40 if its even worth it?

There are a couple of options;
1. There is a mount for an optic that fits into the rear sight dovetail. I don't like this option because I think it subjects the slot to excessive torque from the optic slamming back and forth.
2. Have the slide milled, drilled, and tapped for the optic, this is preferable because it's more secure, and the sight is mounted lower. The downside is that this can be quite expensive.
3. There is a third type which uses the rear sight dovetail (like option 1) but then a hole is drilled in the slide, forward of the dovetail slot and a securing screw is added to hold the front of the mount more securely. If I had to use a dovetail mount, I think this is the one I would use. (thankfully I don't have that problem). One thing to remember on a pistol reflex sight is that there is a whole lot more stress on the optic than there is when it's mounted to a rifle. On a auto pistol, the whole sight is slamming back and forth every shot, whereas a rifle mount, the sight doesn't move, just has to absorb some shock from the bolt moving. Good luck

 

[reckless1911]

There are a couple of options;
1. There is a mount for an optic that fits into the rear sight dovetail. I don't like this option because I think it subjects the slot to excessive torque from the optic slamming back and forth.
2. Have the slide milled, drilled, and tapped for the optic, this is preferable because it's more secure, and the sight is mounted lower. The downside is that this can be quite expensive.
3. There is a third type which uses the rear sight dovetail (like option 1) but then a hole is drilled in the slide, forward of the dovetail slot and a securing screw is added to hold the front of the mount more securely. If I had to use a dovetail mount, I think this is the one I would use. (thankfully I don't have that problem). One thing to remember on a pistol reflex sight is that there is a whole lot more stress on the optic than there is when it's mounted to a rifle. On a auto pistol, the whole sight is slamming back and forth every shot, whereas a rifle mount, the sight doesn't move, just has to absorb some shock from the bolt moving. Good luck

ok sounds like I will go with option 2 and just make sure I find a good gunsmith that can do it.

 

[Bkreutz]

There's a different option I forgot, but it's the most difficult to accomplish. This would be to find someone selling a Core slide, it would swap right onto your lower frame. But Core slides are almost impossible to find. But maybe a trade?? IE someone who had a Core but wanted to trade for a standard slide??, might be worth posting in the "Wanted" section.

 

[reckless1911]

There's a different option I forgot, but it's the most difficult to accomplish. This would be to find someone selling a Core slide, it would swap right onto your lower frame. But Core slides are almost impossible to find. But maybe a trade?? IE someone who had a Core but wanted to trade for a standard slide??, might be worth posting in the "Wanted" section.

how much do you think it will even cost to order a brand new slide from Smith & Wesson compared to Option 2?

 

[Bkreutz]

how much do you think it will even cost to order a brand new slide from Smith & Wesson compared to Option 2?

Don't think they will sell you one. , I guess they want to sell complete pistols instead. You'd have to call and ask but don't hold your breath. I think the only way you're going to find one is used.