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Howard B

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I have a M&P Pro series that I have started using for IDPA. Only about 600 rounds thru it to date. I have been told (yes, I know - who is "they") that there have been extraction/ejection problems with these guns. My only one to date was directly attributable to ammo, so no big deal. Does anyone have direct knowledge of issues with these? Thanks,
Howard
 
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I have a M&P Pro series that I have started using for IDPA. Only about 600 rounds thru it to date. I have been told (yes, I know - who is "they") that there have been extraction/ejection problems with these guns. My only one to date was directly attributable to ammo, so no big deal. Does anyone have direct knowledge of issues with these? Thanks,
Howard
 
Of the ones I know about here, most have had no problems. One magazine, a couple of magazine catches, and one sent back because certain ammo was not reliable. In all cases, S&W fixed the problem.

Since yours is doing fine, I'd just keep shooting.

It may or may not apply in your case, but one type of competitor likes to distract their opponents by ragging their gun choice.
 
Usually the people that report problems, are the ones who have friends who know people that have had the problem. Leaving out that the person could be a complete nitwit.
 
I had the L. It failed to extract several times and jammed the next cartridge into the empty shell casing still in the chamber. Didn't limp wrist or any of that crap and i was using WWB FMJ 115gr. Sold it and was very disappointed. There was something wrong with a 9mm run up there as it happened to my compact so bad i almost had to disassemble the pistol to clear the jam. I could be done with M&P and i really didn't want to be.
 
Originally posted by cometpx4:
I was using WWB FMJ 115gr.

Did you try a different brand before giving up on the gun?

The reason I say this is that there was a bad run of WWB 9mm (late last year) that damaged three guns locally..one of those guns was a P7M13.

Every one of them bought their WWB at Walmart. The gunsmith advised them to contact Winchester with the lot # and let them handle it.

It's very possible that you were using ammunition from that same bad run.
 
My M&P 40FS, M&P 357FS and M&P9c have been flawless in their operation with just about all ammo types except Wolf (I would never feed Wolf to my firearms). I will be adding a M&P 9 Pro Series later this month.

I love this article from Massad Ayoob, about how he beat his best ever IDPA times the first time he shot the M&P 9 Pro Series.

http://www.gunsmagazine.com/Features/0908/Ftr0908.html
 
I just purchased a M&P pro 9mm. It catches the empty on about every 5-6 round. I have yet to fire a full clip with out it catching the empty. I was firing reloads at first and thought ok maybe the reloads. I then loaded up new winchester 115gr JHP same thing. Fired 5-6 round and catch an ejected shell. Whats next. I disassembled, cleaned and back to the range. Same thing.
 
Sounds like it's possible that you're limp-wristing it. Oddly, when I see experienced shooters do this it's after a few rounds have been fired. Call it becomming more at ease with the report and recoil, or whatever, it really does work out that way. Make sure your grip is firm and the web of your hand is truly planted up against the tail. And no, don't shoot reloads through your new gun. Shoot at least 500 or so high quality factory rounds through it.

I have 5,000 or so through my 9 FS and she eats everything from American Eagle to Magtech to WWB to Hornady TAP. I mix it up quite often.

bj
 
Ok, I will try tomorrow when I go to the range. How does the grip pressure affect ejection? Is this common with other auto's? I have fired a few different brands and haven't had this happen to this extent.
Don
 
How does the grip pressure affect ejection?
Frame stability (against movement), as well as slide velocity and travel during the recoil cycle.

Is this common with other auto's?
Yes, but it generally seems to be more often encountered when folks are using polymer-framed pistols.

Folks with less experience shooting semiauto pistols, or at least shooting polymer-framed pistols, seem to report this sort of thing more often than more accomplished, experienced pistol shooters, upon occasion.

It's not an uncommon thing for an instructor or armorer to check for when such functioning problems are experienced by shooters.

The M&P armorer manual, for example, discussing a Failure to Eject (including Stove Pipes) problem has as one of the probable causes listed "shooter induced". The recommendation is to evaluate and correct, but in the class it's recommended to check the shooter's technique for grip/wrist issues.

In the Sig armorer manual, under Stoppages, Malfunctions and Their Corrections, it lists "Shooter error/Keep wrist locked and maintain a firm grip when firing the pistol" as one of the potential corrections to the following problems:
Slide does not close completely
Double Feed
Inconsistent ejection (including trapping brass in ejection port)

In the Glock armorer manual, "Shooting with an unlocked wrist" is listed as one of the probable causes of the following problems:
Failure to extract
Failure to eject or erratic ejection (incl stove pipes)
Failure to feed
Slide fails to lock open on last round
Failure to fire

I could go on, but you get the point.
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I haven't heard of any recent issues involving gun-related extraction problems since the Pro model was released. I heard of some very early production slide & extraction issues of a limited nature back when the M&P was first released.

Since the M&P extractor is technically considered a fitted part I suppose an occasional, odd extractor might have been fitted a bit too loose or too tight, or an extractor spring might be slightly out-of-spec (we ask a lot of rather inexpensive, small mass produced springs, you know). Although not heard of often in new guns, it's also possible for an occasional part to be defective or damaged (extractor).

This is where S&W's lifetime warranty and free round-trip insured shipping is something to be appreciated.

FWIW, ammunition produced on the low-power end of the normal range can affect functioning at times. Take into consideration the normal deviation to be expected when ammunition, especially low-cost ammunition, is selected for use, too.

Also, it's not exactly uncommon to hear someone report that budget/low cost 115gr 9mm ammunition has been connected with some occasional complaints of feeding, extraction & ejection in some new pistols. I can make a G26 exhibit erratic ejection issues much more easily when shooting standard 115gr 'training/practice' loads than when shooting 147gr 'training/practice' loads because of the recoil impulse ... in my hands, using my G26.
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I can't get the same G26 to exhibit the same ejection issues at all when using +P/+P+ loads.

Just my thoughts.

Why not call back and ask to speak to a customer service person at S&W about your experience and concern?
 
Thanks for the explanation. I will try some better ammo and focus on my grip first.
 

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