M&P Safeties

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Two Questions:

1. Can one take OFF the thumb safety easily on a new M&P???

2. Can one take off or inactivate the magazine safety?

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1. Yes

2. Yes

There are a couple of videos on YouTube that show you how to remove both the thumb safety and the magazine safety,
 
Thanks for the links Greg! I went and ordered a spring from Speed Shooter Specialties instead of making my own spring (Home Depot is woefully lacking in supplies). Was a very easy install. And it gave me a good reason to get back in there and replace a spring I forgot to do when I installed my Apex FSS.
 
Because it's an unnecessary safety. Question should be why would you want it in there?
 
playing devils advocate here. In the event you have to shoot someone, if you disable a safety; you might have a hell of a time at the trial. especially if its civil.

that being said, I dont want safety's on any of my guns, except my 1911; but Im not removing/disabling them either.
 
Michiganscott,
I don't know how the availability of M&P's are iin your area, but where I am located if you see one buy it! I found 1 M&P compact .40 and jumped on it and it has the mag safety, so I just removed it as I personally don't care for them.
As for the argument that rod442 made I believe that his argument would be moot due to the fact that S&W does make a model without one. Well your honor I couldn't get one without the mag disconnect due to availability, so I bought the one with it and removed the disconnect. Just my opion and no one has to agree or disagree! The 1911 is the exception to safeties since it has several, and they all work really well, but one of them ain't a mag disconnect!
 
Like 1fly2ty said, availability and also location. I live in the "great" state of CA. Mag disconnects are standard fair on S&W guns. Thankfully the internal lock and thumb safety are not required. I prefer no manual safety on striker fired guns that already have a safety on the trigger face.
 
I was lucky and bought a LEO's M&P. No safety, except my very own booger hook.
 
rod442 said:
playing devils advocate here. In the event you have to shoot someone, if you disable a safety; you might have a hell of a time at the trial. especially if its civil.

that being said, I dont want safety's on any of my guns, except my 1911; but Im not removing/disabling them either.
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I have seen this "court" thing mentioned before. If you shoot someone intentionally, what's the difference if the safeties were removed? I just don't get it. Is there an assumption that the shooter will try to say it was an accident?
 
I would never deactivate or remove any safety from a pistol of mine. My thumb rests on the safety of my M&P 9c just as it does on my 1911's. It's just how I do it....everyone's different.
 
If anyone wants to sell their thumb saftey, detent, and spring I would be very interested. I bought a M&P 45 fs used that had the thumb saftey but the previous owner removed it along with the detent and spring, and lost the parts. S&W won't sell the parts and Cane and Derby are on indefinite back order (have been since March). I really don't want to just plug the holes, I'd like to return the gun to original specs plus it will then match my 9C.
 
I can see removing the mag safety...but not the thumb safety on an M&P.
 
If I lived in a state that required a magazine disconnect, I'd be hesitant to remove it from a pistol. I've carried a 3913 for a few years and lived with it.

As far as availability, one needs to learn both patience and to haunt every gun store you see. When I bought my M&P9C, I had my choice of one NIB or an identical gently used one for $100 less. I bought the used one. A year before I bought mine, my wife came home with a NIB 9C. Six months before that, my daughter bought hers. None of them had magazine or thumb safeties. They're out there.

Never settle for a model just because you can't find the variant you truly want. You will never be 100% happy with it.
 
The earlier post is correct, if you intend to shoot someone it doesn't matter about the manual safety or a magazine safety. You had intent to shoot and you carried your intent out (bang).

Now if for some reason your gun goes off accidentally, then you are open to: in the event of death charges up to involuntary manslaughter. No death or injury: as little as careless use of a handgun, unlawful discharge or ???

Don't forget you can count on being sued for almost anything.

Now for the mag safety, it is a stupid state mandated requirement. Only a few states require it. Nice to know S&W did not put a mag safety on the Shield. It might have cost them some sales. I would bet eventually they will make some Shields with a mag safety for those states. One example for no mag safety is your in a gunfight. You know your low on ammo, you have one chambered and you decide on loading a fresh mag. Just as you drop the mag a bad guy starts running at you. There is nothing you can do until you get the mag loaded as the gun won't fire (mag safety).

What is a mag safety for? The idiot that is going to leave the gun lying around with a round in the chamber? I know someone is going to do it, but where is the common sense and gun safety rules not being followed? Don't say it's for the PO that gets into a fight for his gun and he drops the mag so he won't get shot. First if he is in that type of fight he likely couldn't get to that damn small mag release. Second is the PO does not want a mag safety for the above reason, he wants to be able to fire a chambered round with the mag out.

Remove the manual safety? For those that don't want the safety it is because they don't use a safety. So everyone says "well just leave it set in the off position". So you leave it off and you now have a situation where you have to pull the gun and shoot, no time to think. You pull the gun, aim, and pull the trigger. Nothing happens as somehow the safety somehow got accidentally bumped to the on position. The couple of seconds it would take to realize what happened could mean your life.

So now you understand why they want to remove the safety. They don't trust that it won't get accidentally set on, when they expected it to be off.

My carry guns have a manual safety, and I use the safety and train flicking it off, with my thumb, as I draw the gun. But I understand why many gun owners don't want the safety, and I respect their decision to make it non-operative.

Bob
 
for the court thing.... what I was getting at, is who's to say you didn't accidently shoot the person. Its a dark parking lot, or street. you and (s)he are alone, your alive and they are dead. Maybe you had to shoot them, and maybe not. A VERY strong argument will be made that just pulling your gun deterred them and with no safety (on a gun that should have one, and you purposefully removed), they got shot anyway. couple that with a gun with a modified, lightened trigger; and it gets even worse.

The dead perps family WILL sue, and a jury might believe you or they might not. especially in a civil trial. you want a CARRY/personal defence gun with no safety, buy one with no safety. you cant buy one with no safety, buy one that can remain off; and leave it there - off. OR be prepared to pay, if someone gets shot with it. my .02.

and I'm NOT trying to be a dick, just pointing out the "other side" of the argument. I KNOW that anything you pull your gun out for, you already intend to shoot. More reading about a similiar subject in this thread:

http://smith-wessonforum.com/concealed-carry-self-defense/266762-justifiable-justifiable.html
 
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