Well, you've turned down offers of $300 and thinking of trading? As a trade-in, You'll only see (about) half of what you've already turned down (maybe 60% of what they're selling a NIB Shield for).
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M&P Shield .40 Blow Up
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If I were this concerned that my gun was going to blow up, I wouldn't sell it. The thought of giving a defective gun to someone, and them being injured by it, would prevent me from passing my problem to someone else.
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You are only correct if he goes to a LGS and trades. If he uses something like armslist he can trade straight up for something of like value, such as a Shield 9mm. In fact, I have come out ahead on trades when I had something someone really wanted and was willing to trade.
Point taken... Wasn't aware I needed to stipulate "at a LGS".
I will from now on.
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Point taken... Wasn't aware I needed to stipulate "at a LGS".
I will from now on.
No worries, but he was asked to sell it by an individual, and then said he really wanted to trade it, so I thought you would have understood he was talking individual, not LGS. I mean, since we're stipulating and all.
What I find amazing about this thread is that Hickok45 didn't notice the cracked slide. Or if he did, he didn't say anything.bronconagurski
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I am one also that have had second thoughts about getting the Shield 40, even though I like shooting a 40. My wife's Shield 9mm has been one sweet gun that I paid $400 a few months ago. But now I am seeing the Shield 40 going for $329 and free shipping on GB by this one particular seller, and so for $349 after paying my $20 FFL fee, I can own one. I can see how OAL is something to pay attention to no matter what 40 I am shooting. Defensive ammo would definitely need to be rotated and checked religiously. I may move back to the buy mode on the gun. I wonder of some of the kaboom threads out there is causing the drop in price, or has the handgun market become too saturated? Don't know, but I would love to know the real truth on the kabooms, and how they could have been prevented. Hindsight is always 20/20.
Universally true of any gun as far as I am concerned.
In my little handgun buying/trading/selling part of the world, .40's are almost always a bit cheaper than 9mm's simply because demand is not as high. Lots of good sales on .40's that you'd never see on 9mm's.
This goes for a lot of guns, not just the Shield. Plus prices are trending downward anyway.In regard to the "real truth"... I think I've read every thread and post on the topic at least twice and the real truth (to me anyway) is that the small, plastic Shield was never made to tolerate extra-high-performance "boutique" loads, supercharged reloads, double-charged reloads, over-handled/abused ammo or "mystery ammo" for which the source, age and/or pedigree are essentially unknown.
Other than that, I'd have no problem at all with a Shield .40 with the one proviso that I would check the gun (ideally before buying) for a correctly cut feed ramp and adequate case support in the chamber. If those things look okay, I'm good to go.
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"Other than that, I'd have no problem at all with a Shield .40 with the one proviso that I would check the gun (ideally before buying) for a correctly cut feed ramp and adequate case support in the chamber. If those things look okay, I'm good to go."
Is there sometimes a problem with the feed ramp and chamber on the Shield 40? Or is that just something you always look for?
Is there sometimes a problem with the feed ramp and chamber on the Shield 40? Or is that just something you always look for?
Just covering all the bases discussed in the various Shield KaBoom threads.
And yes, given the Shield discussions, I have rechecked all my S&W .40's for adequate case support.
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Just covering all the bases discussed in the various Shield KaBoom threads.
And yes, given the Shield discussions, I have rechecked all my S&W .40's for adequate case support.
Ok, thanks, I'll keep that in mind.
guys I have a question. I have three S&W 40 cal. pistols. Glock22, M&P 40C, M&P40 shield. 40C and shield have never been fired. My ammo is new in box CCI TMJ 180 and PMC 180 FMJ/FP. Is it safe to shoot this ammo in the shield. I don't shoot reloads.
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M&P Shield .40 blowup
Should have bought the 9mm.
I have had zero problems with mine.
Hope yours finally gets fixed though.
Ty
Should have bought the 9mm.
I have had zero problems with mine.
Hope yours finally gets fixed though.
Ty
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As long as the ammo looks to be in spec, why not? After hearing about kabooms, I look at any ammo, not just 40 S&W, for defects before I shoot. Unless you are in the camp that thinks you should only shoot the 165 in a Shield. If so, get you some 165 for the Shield and shoot the 180 in Glock 22.
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According to S&W, that ammo is fine to shoot in your guns.
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Where was the ammo stored before firing? If it's an outdoor range could the ammo have been sitting in the sun? Or a round left sitting in a hot chamber for long enough to heat it up? Just brainstorming but rounds will develop high pressure if heated to excessive temperautures.
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My thoughts are that it would require temperatures higher than 150 degrees F, for this to even be a factor.
Are American Soldiers in the Sand Box of war frequently are in day time temperatures at 115 degrees plus and often of no shade. Have not heard of any reports of ammo problems from those who have been there.
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Are American Soldiers in the Sand Box of war frequently are in day time temperatures at 115 degrees plus and often of no shade. Have not heard of any reports of ammo problems from those who have been there.
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emory
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On my last range trip, I shot up a box of Nosler 200gr hollow points in my .40 Shield. Recoil was quite manageable and my pistol didn't explode. I would shoot 1,000 more rounds of the same with absolute confidence in the firearm.
S&W Shield 9mm Blew Up
I can't believe Smith & Wesson would send a damaged pistol back saying it is safe to shoot with a crack in the frame. But I also believe there is a significant design flaw in the frame of the S&W M&P line. My Shield blew up while running drills in a handgun defense class. I have my CCW license in California and was shooting my carry gun in the class. The gun blew up on the last round in my 7 round magazine. Since this catastrophic event I have been researching this online to see if anyone else has had this problem. I was amazed at how many M&P's, both 40's and 9's have come apart. The remarkable think about it was every picture that I saw appeared to be identical to my Shield right down to the cut below my left eye. Later I noticed a small chip in my safety glasses where a piece of brass would have entered the center of my eye. Thank God for safety glasses or I would not have a left eye.
Smith & Wesson said it was a hot load that caused this. I was shooting factory Winchester loads bought at my local Walmart. Smith & Wesson said the gun was not fixable and they offered me a slightly reduced price for a new one. What a great deal when I can buy one for less than what they offered me. I asked for my gun to be sent back to me. They asked why I wanted it because I couldn't shoot it. I said, "I paid for it, so either replace it or give me my money I paid back." After more questions from the service rep, he again said it was not a shoot able gun and said that I had after market sights on my gun. That if they weren't installed properly that could have caused my gun to explode. My response, "I am farsighted and the fire sights I had my on Shield were bought from the Smith & Wesson Store. They were installed by my local gunsmith and I had run about 300 rounds through it before it blew up." He still wanted to know why I was adamant about having my original gun returned. My remark, "It is for advertising." With that he said he would send it back to ballistics for another evaluation. That was the last I heard from Smith & Wesson for the last month. I added pictures of my Shield.
I think Smith & Wesson has a problem that they don't want to address.
I can't believe Smith & Wesson would send a damaged pistol back saying it is safe to shoot with a crack in the frame. But I also believe there is a significant design flaw in the frame of the S&W M&P line. My Shield blew up while running drills in a handgun defense class. I have my CCW license in California and was shooting my carry gun in the class. The gun blew up on the last round in my 7 round magazine. Since this catastrophic event I have been researching this online to see if anyone else has had this problem. I was amazed at how many M&P's, both 40's and 9's have come apart. The remarkable think about it was every picture that I saw appeared to be identical to my Shield right down to the cut below my left eye. Later I noticed a small chip in my safety glasses where a piece of brass would have entered the center of my eye. Thank God for safety glasses or I would not have a left eye.
Smith & Wesson said it was a hot load that caused this. I was shooting factory Winchester loads bought at my local Walmart. Smith & Wesson said the gun was not fixable and they offered me a slightly reduced price for a new one. What a great deal when I can buy one for less than what they offered me. I asked for my gun to be sent back to me. They asked why I wanted it because I couldn't shoot it. I said, "I paid for it, so either replace it or give me my money I paid back." After more questions from the service rep, he again said it was not a shoot able gun and said that I had after market sights on my gun. That if they weren't installed properly that could have caused my gun to explode. My response, "I am farsighted and the fire sights I had my on Shield were bought from the Smith & Wesson Store. They were installed by my local gunsmith and I had run about 300 rounds through it before it blew up." He still wanted to know why I was adamant about having my original gun returned. My remark, "It is for advertising." With that he said he would send it back to ballistics for another evaluation. That was the last I heard from Smith & Wesson for the last month. I added pictures of my Shield.
I think Smith & Wesson has a problem that they don't want to address.
So what do you think happened for it to come apart like it did.... out of battery discharge? Overcharged ammo? ....
