M&P Trigger Satisfaction

[S&W-Admirer]

After starting this thread and reading comments, I pulled the trigger on my .40 FS a few times and noticed the grittiness that everyone was writing about. I can feel it now but it isn't too bothersome. The rest of the trigger stroke is fine for what it is. The pull seems to be about 6.0-6.5 lbs and crisp. Not as nice as my stock Glocks but not bad.

Going head to head to compete with Glocks, I can't believe S&W hasn't done more to address the trigger. Seems like it would be one more area where they could beat Glock with just a small amount of effort and expense.

 

[1fly2ty]

I think we would all like it if S&W would deal with some of these smaller issues, however I guess that they build these guns to hit a price point and the little extra effort that it would take isn't in the $$$$ of this co. I mean lets look at something as simple as how many times on this site have you seen the white dot on my front or rear sight fell out! Simply put its only bothersome to us the comsumer, to them its a minor inconveience to send someone a new sight. The term customer loyalty comes to mind but corporate america today has no intention of being loyal to us as consumers, just build them and ship them as fast as possible to maximize profits! When ever I buy a pistol I always have the expectation that I am going to have to dial it into the way I want it to be.

 

[waynemrobinson]

Trigger Issue

I have owned S&W pistols since 1972 and also just purchased a FS 9 and after a month, fired about 400 rounds, was disgusted with the trigger and ejection issue.

It really is a shame that this proud American Company seems to have lost it's respect for the American Customer.

My Glock 26 is far superior.

 

[tectrry]

Since this thread/issue has gotten a lot of posts, let me add my own question. First, I have 2k-3k rounds through my FS9 and only about 200-300 through my new 40c. It is the only trigger that I have ever known as I have only been shooting for about 6 months now. So just for kicks I purchased the new poly trigger from APEX to feel for myself what a different trigger is like, and it will be delivered tomorrow. Will just swapping out the triggers make much difference or will I need to do the whole APEX kit as well? I was thinking of putting it on the 40C since it is newer but if I like it might get another one for the FS9 as well. Any thoughts?

 

[harleygsb]

I have a slightly older 9mm FS and a recently purchased 40C. I probably have 500 rounds through the 40C. While the 40C trigger stock is better than the 9mm stock, I did the DCAEK on the 9mm many months ago.

The grittiness is smoothing out in the 40C trigger, but is still not as smooth or as uniform a pull as the upgraded 9mm trigger. I gave up and ordered the DCAEK for the 40C today.

It truly amazes me that S&W cannot make the trigger like the DCAEK job out of the box. It should not cost any more. What are they thinking?

 

[Llando88]

Since this thread/issue has gotten a lot of posts, let me add my own question. First, I have 2k-3k rounds through my FS9 and only about 200-300 through my new 40c. It is the only trigger that I have ever known as I have only been shooting for about 6 months now. So just for kicks I purchased the new poly trigger from APEX to feel for myself what a different trigger is like, and it will be delivered tomorrow. Will just swapping out the triggers make much difference or will I need to do the whole APEX kit as well? I was thinking of putting it on the 40C since it is newer but if I like it might get another one for the FS9 as well. Any thoughts?

Update on the trigger?

 

[Dr.um]

I have owned S&W pistols since 1972 and also just purchased a FS 9 and after a month, fired about 400 rounds, was disgusted with the trigger and ejection issue.

It really is a shame that this proud American Company seems to have lost it's respect for the American Customer.

My Glock 26 is far superior.

So one gun was able to undo 40 years of your brand loyalty AND was enough to convince you that S&W has no respect for the rest of us?

Wow. Enjoy your Glock and your opinion.

 

[waynemrobinson]

So one gun was able to undo 40 years of your brand loyalty AND was enough to convince you that S&W has no respect for the rest of us?

Wow. Enjoy your Glock and your opinion.

Owning a handgun is a tremendous responsibility and any gun owner who accepts and fires a weapon that is not perfect, is endangering him/herself and others around at a range.

The pistol was shipped by the manuf. in less than perfect shape and it should have been noticed in quality control. No excuse.

And yes, I do enjoy my Glock as well as other S&W pistols I own.

 

[Flavorman]

I'm with you. My M&P9FS trigger is about perfect in my eyes. I've got an H&K P30 9mm and the trigger pull is forever and the reset is even longer. The M&P was a huger improvement. I felt a little grittiness when I dry fired it in the gin store but after just 50 or 100 rounds it was gone. I wouldn't change the trigger at all.

 

[tectrry]

Update on the trigger?

Well, since you asked...I have put about 300-400 round through it with the new APEX Poly trigger (no other changes). I like the feel alot. It made the trigger a little heavier but very smooth. after a few more weeks I'll decide if I should do anything esle (like the sear or springs).

 

[VMaxSplat]

I have a M&P .40 FS born the first week in December 2012. The trigger is just a little heavier than my Glocks. The reset is a little quieter and maybe a little longer than my Glocks. No noticeable grittiness in the trigger pull. I have run about 350 .40 and 9mm rounds through it.

I have read lots of topics about people being dissatisfied with their M&P triggers but am satisfied with mine. Am I lucky and have one of the improved triggers or do the APEX parts make the triggers that much better?

I am satisfied with mine too. As a 1911 guy, I never thought the Glock, or any other striker fired pistol was great from a trigger perspective... The M&P stock trigger is fine for a defensive pistol.

 

[Bkreutz]

After starting this thread and reading comments, I pulled the trigger on my .40 FS a few times and noticed the grittiness that everyone was writing about. I can feel it now but it isn't too bothersome. The rest of the trigger stroke is fine for what it is. The pull seems to be about 6.0-6.5 lbs and crisp. Not as nice as my stock Glocks but not bad.

Going head to head to compete with Glocks, I can't believe S&W hasn't done more to address the trigger. Seems like it would be one more area where they could beat Glock with just a small amount of effort and expense.

I think the biggest part of this whole issue is "what do you want out of the trigger". My 9c is my carry pistol and has a stock trigger. It has over 2000 rounds through it. The trigger was a bit gritty at first but has smoothed out.(expensive trigger job though) For CC it is just about perfect in what I want for that purpose. I have a FS9 (4.25) that is a nightstand gun and a range gun, still with the stock trigger and it does the job. Then I got a 5" Pro CORE for a competition gun. The trigger was much better than the other 2 but not what I wanted for that specialized purpose. I realized the grittiness would probably get better, I wanted something better in regards to trigger travel, reset, and feel. I put the complete apex polymer kit in and think it's great. No grit, short travel and reset, and the bottom half of the trigger doesn't flex like the stock one. Just my experiences with the "trigger issue" Now the question is "what do I do with the FS?". I like the CORE so much that the others don't get shot much. I shoot at least 2 mags through the compact every trip to the range because it's my carry gun but the FS stays in the nightstand. I thought about selling it but then thought "Nah, I don't sell guns, I just buy them".

 

[COL V]

I enjoy threads like this, and the various positions individuals have on what they like / accept for a trigger feel and function on the M&P. Having recently acquired a 9C myself, I was curious about the seemingly unending recommandations for APEX upgrades, chastizing S&W for using a sub-par trigger, and comparisons to other "perfect" triggers (Glock, 1911's, etc). IMHO, the trigger is acceptable and works fine for HD and CC. I purchased the M&P 9C as a tactical weapon, and it doesn't dissapoint. With adequate practice, it drives nails in paper and will serve well if called upon for SD. Gritty, imperfect, perhaps. But I've used numerous tactical weapons in my 30+ years of soldiering, and think the M&P performs extemely well out of the box. At risk of flames from others, I recommend leaving stock and just shooting the pistol correctly and frequently. Modify if you must, but if you are new to M&P pistols, just let it be and get shooting.

 

[Sansho]

I believe that S&W has been rolling out an improved trigger mechanism, supposedly more like the Shield .... if you just bought yours, you may have the newer variety.

 

[Nutshell]

To each their own. For me, when I shot the APEX equipped M&P, the first thing I noticed was a consistency the stock trigger just doesn't have.

 

[harleygsb]

To each their own. For me, when I shot the APEX equipped M&P, the first thing I noticed was a consistency the stock trigger just doesn't have.

I would agree. I have installed the DCAEK on a slightly older 9mm FS and a very recent 40C. I like the result quite a bit compared to the stock trigger. And I am not one to modify things (guns, trucks, etc.) just to modify things. I don't spend my money that way.

 

[robertgreenup]

M&P 45c Trigger

After reading all the posts and complaints about the M&P trigger I was prepared for the worst, but the trigger on my new M&P 45c (test round fired 03/2013) seems fine right from the box. A bit long (which is not a bad thing in a DAO) but smooth with a clean break. I haven't used a scale, but the pull seems to at least match my XDs which is right at 6 lbs. I am thinking that Smith and Wesson must have made some recent adjustments.

 

[OldGoat]

My new M&P full size 9mm has a HORRIBLE trigger pull - maybe 12 lbs. or more - a MAJOR disappointment. I have trouble with the APEX solution for a couple of reasons identified...the cost: paying $150+ to correct a deficiency in a brand new gun; and liability: the APEX apparently not only voids the S&W warranty, it can cause the owner to be subject to severe liability (saw this on the APEX website). So, the last alternative may be to "dump" the new 9FS and find another home defense gun. That said, I am a huge S&W fan - have several revolvers and recently purchased an extremely nice new S&W 1911E with a great trigger. The comments on this forum are appreciated. Regards, Ed

 

[Shoo2tr]

My trigger pull was so out of spec on my 40C that after its first range trip it was returned to S&W for warranty work. I was not expecting a competition trigger, nor being influenced by other really good factory triggers on some of my other guns. I have to say though, in addition to the pull weight being way out of spec, it was also the grittiest factory trigger I've ever experienced.

S&W customer service was top notch and my 40C was fixed under warranty and returned to me with a sliky smooth 5.5lb trigger with a very nice audible reset with little to no over travel. Ever since I have been a very happy camper. What I do not understand is why so many rush to the after-market before determining if the firearm is actually out of spec and a candidate for warranty service.

 

[Nutshell]

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APEX apparently not only voids the S&W warranty, it can cause the owner to be subject to severe liability (saw this on the APEX website)

I've had two APEX M&P's back to S&W for work, never any issues. As far as liability...if you are in a situation when you have to pull the trigger, you subject yourself to liability. Why would an aftermarket trigger make you more so?