Major Malfunction on M&P 15-22

[robbie1178]

Has anyone had their MP 15-22 fire with the bolt still open? Bullet did not load completely into the battery. Loaded about halfway in. The bolt came forward and made contact with the bullet and still fired blowing the ejector off the gun after only 27 rounds. I always thought that if the bolt was not all the way forward locked into position that the gun would not fire. It's not nice getting gunpowder in your face. Guess it's off to S & W.

 

[Thomas_H]

Yes, there have been a number of instances of OOB (out of battery) discharges that result in a damaged extractor with the 15-22. Give S&W a call and they should take care of it for you.

As for a diagnosis as to why it happened:
1. What type of ammo where you using? This rifle does not like Remington ammo.
2. Did you clean the chamber and bore before your first trip to the range? Just about all firearms ship from the manufacturer with a rust preventative coating in the chamber/bore that needs to be cleaned out prior to use.
3. Did you lube the rifle (specifically the bolt carrier group) prior to your first trip to the range? (see # 2)
4. If so, what type of lube did you use? Does it's viscosity change under colder temps? Some gun oils and grease will thicken in cold temps, this could slow the bolt speed to the point that it does not chamber the round properly.
5. Did you load the magazine properly. Yes this sounds like a stupid question, but if can make a difference. Load one round at a time, using the load assist button on the follower only to take up a little tension in the spring while you insert the cartridge. By not loading the mag properly, the cartridges in the mag can get out of alignment causing mis-feeds. It is not hard to imagine a situation where a mis-feed partially chambers, but becase the bullet is slightly bent out of shape due to the misfeed, keeps it from going all the way into battery.

Hope this helps.

 

[AK MIKE]

Has anyone had their MP 15-22 fire with the bolt still open? Bullet did not load completely into the battery. Loaded about halfway in. The bolt came forward and made contact with the bullet and still fired blowing the ejector off the gun after only 27 rounds. I always thought that if the bolt was not all the way forward locked into position that the gun would not fire. It's not nice getting gunpowder in your face. Guess it's off to S & W.

Had the same thing happen to me. S&W has the gun now, I hope to get it back soon.

 

[robbie1178]

I used CCI 40 grain round nose. Barrel was cleaned before it was shot. This was an engagement gift from my girlfriend and she is pissed.

 

[fishinbill85]

hhhmmm............. seems that it's not such an isolated thing anymore huh?

 

[walterg]

I had the same thing happen to my 15-22 twice. I was shooting Winchester bulk ammo, but after I got the gun back the second time I switched to Federal bulk ammo. I have not had a single malfunction with the federal bulk ammo. I understand your frustration, but I'm sure that S&W is going to make it right.

 

[chuck s]

I suspect this is what caused my extractor to suddenly disappear from the weapon back in December. S&W had it back on Christmas Eve. 300+ uneventful rounds of mixed parentage since then. I sure hope Winchester bulk ain't the issue cuz' I just got delivery of 3330 of them!

-- Chuck

 

[27 Beck]

My S&W is on extractor #3. OOBs took the first two out. Part of owing a .22 semi auto.

I do wish S&W would make the extractor parts available for sale, instead of requiring a FedEx trip.

Be sure and wear eye protection.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

My S&W is on extractor #3. OOBs took the first two out. Part of owing a .22 semi auto.

You get that much headache out of your other semi-auto .22.... for real? Geeesh.... do you get hit by lightening alot too?

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

I think someone recently said that they had yet to hear of a Winchester round being used when a failure occurred. Well.... there ya go... and a CCI for bonus.

Other than lack of availability, what other reason is there to use anything besides Fed Bulk Pack? The 15-22 isn't a shooter anyway... so the cheap and less than consistent Fed Bulk Pack is on par with the rifle. Why fight it?

 

[27 Beck]

You get that much headache out of your other semi-auto .22.... for real? Geeesh.... do you get hit by lightening alot too?

lol, OOBs are part of owning semi auto .22s. If one uses Remington Bulk Packs, the lightning strikes come closer.

I haven't had an OOB on my Sig 522...yet. But they (OOBs) are out there

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

lol, OOBs are part of owning semi auto .22s. If one uses Remington Bulk Packs, the lightning strikes come closer.

I haven't had an OOB on my Sig 522...yet. But they (OOBs) are out there

I'm getting close to -been there and done that- with my 15-22... so I was thinking of picking up a Sig. What do you like/dislike? Strong/weak points? Thanks

 

[27 Beck]

I'm getting close to -been there and done that- with my 15-22... so I was thinking of picking up a Sig. What do you like/dislike? Strong/weak points? Thanks

Phil, it is a little heavier than the 15-22. More metal, but yet some plastic. Nice trigger out of the box, but can't put any AR trigger parts in it like the 15-22. Shoots great. Too cold here to really test with different ammo to get a real fix on accuracy. The 522 uses magazines and drum from Black Dog Machine. This is a plus for me, as I also have dedicated .22 uppers that use this magazine. Mags available in 10, 15, 25 rounds and the 50 round drum.

My only complaint was I had to buy a $20.00 rail kit so I could mount a bipod. Oh, Sigs Customer Service isn't the greatest, so I hope I don't need to send it back for any repairs.

I find myself shooting it more than my 15-22. If I had to pick only one, it would be a real tough choice.

 

[straight-shooter]

I find myself shooting it more than my 15-22. If I had to pick only one, it would be a real tough choice.

Way to hide that one! LOL, j/k but you should be ashamed.

 

[AK MIKE]

I'm getting close to -been there and done that- with my 15-22... so I was thinking of picking up a Sig. What do you like/dislike? Strong/weak points? Thanks

Very accurate with a cheap busnell 4x32 mounted. Feels more like a rifle than a toy gun because of the metal. I have yet to have a single problem (knock on wood) with it. My son and I have put close to 3500 rounds thru it in extreme weather conditions. We shot it last weekend at a balmy -33. We have used remington ammo (yes the destroyer of firearms ammo) without a problem, Federal, american eagle, and cci. All rounds have done just fine. The mags are very well constructed and can be quickly reloaded without fear of loading it wrong. I bought a few extra black dog mags because you will blow thru ammo faster than you think possible. The stock folds and collaspes, there are 2 extra stock adjustment keys that come with the gun, a pretty nice sig case with enough room for the gun, extra mags, and other range/shooting stuff. If you are big on looks, it looks exactly like the sig556. The only thing that I would say is weak (only at first) is the ability to easily fold the stock. The latch is very tight at first and needs to be worked quite a bit. At first you have to slam it to get it to latch but after working it for a few minutes it was fine. Also, would have liked for it to come with some sort of sights.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Thanks, Mike and Beck

What is a stock adjustment key?

Does the rifle operate with the stock folded?

Can you give me an idea regarding accuracy?

Did you buy factory iron sights? Any good?

Forum Readers - Sorry about hijacking this thread with non-S&W Q and A. I'll shut up in just a bit.

 

[AK MIKE]

Thanks, Mike and Beck

What is a stock adjustment key?

Does the rifle operate with the stock folded?
.

Can you give me an idea regarding accuracy?

Did you buy factory iron sights? Any good?


Forum Readers - Sorry about hijacking this thread with non-S&W Q and A. I'll shut up in just a bit.

1-It is just the name I gave them. The "keys" are different blocks you can swap out in the stock to make the stock lock in different positions. You can truely customize the pull for you. It goes beyond the standard 6 position stock stops and allows much more customizing. Changes out in a minute.

2-Yes

3-I only have shot out to 50 yards but I bet I could cover a 10 shot group with a quarter. This is shot with a cheap ($45) busnell 4x32 scope.

4-Haven't bought any iron sights for it yet. I've been very pleased with the current set up.

 

[mikehoncho]

seems like the 522 gets good reviews but IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY RAILS LIKE THE 15-22, therefore it can never be as "tacticool."

woman have their purses and shoes.

guys have foregrips and flashlights to mount on rails but you gotta have rails!

 

[27 Beck]

seems like the 522 gets good reviews but IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY RAILS LIKE THE 15-22, therefore it can never be as "tacticool."

woman have their purses and shoes.

guys have foregrips and flashlights to mount on rails but you gotta have rails!

Mike, you need to buy the rail kit for $20.00 and you will then have a place to mount stuff.

 

[27 Beck]

Thanks, Mike and Beck

What is a stock adjustment key?

Does the rifle operate with the stock folded?

Can you give me an idea regarding accuracy?

Did you buy factory iron sights? Any good?

Forum Readers - Sorry about hijacking this thread with non-S&W Q and A. I'll shut up in just a bit.

1-It is just the name I gave them. The "keys" are different blocks you can swap out in the stock to make the stock lock in different positions. You can truely customize the pull for you. It goes beyond the standard 6 position stock stops and allows much more customizing. Changes out in a minute.

2-Yes

3-I only have shot out to 50 yards but I bet I could cover a 10 shot group with a quarter. This is shot with a cheap ($45) busnell 4x32 scope.

4-Haven't bought any iron sights for it yet. I've been very pleased with the current set up.

What he said.

I am currently running an old Aimpoint optic that I got used. I will prolly not do any iron sights on this one.

 

[mikehoncho]

Mike, you need to buy the rail kit for $20.00 and you will then have a place to mount stuff.

do you have a link with pix. i'd like to see it. you can never have too many .22s with room to accessorize.

 

[27 Beck]

do you have a link with pix. i'd like to see it. you can never have too many .22s with room to accessorize.

Try this link.

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[ibowhuntaz]

Mine shot oob also after only about 100 rounds, too say this is a common thing to happen is just not true. I have owned a dozen or more semi-auto .22 rifles over the past 40 years and fired thousands upon thousands of rounds and firing out of battery has never, repeat never happened to me before. 27Beck if this is common to you please list your model of rifles owned so I can be sure too never spend my money on them. A recall is what is needed, its becoming apparent this is not just an isolated or normally encountered problem.

Ron

 

[27 Beck]

Mine shot oob also after only about 100 rounds, too say this is a common thing to happen is just not true. I have owned a dozen or more semi-auto .22 rifles over the past 40 years and fired thousands upon thousands of rounds and firing out of battery has never, repeat never happened to me before. 27Beck if this is common to you please list your model of rifles owned so I can be sure too never spend my money on them. A recall is what is needed, its becoming apparent this is not just an isolated or normally encountered problem.

Ron

Congrats on your good luck. In another post I said my use of the word "common" was perhaps too strong of use. Maybe the OOB is more like an electrical gremlin, some folks never experience one in their lifetime.

 

[UtahHunting]

My S&W is on extractor #3. OOBs took the first two out. Part of owing a .22 semi auto.

I do wish S&W would make the extractor parts available for sale, instead of requiring a FedEx trip.

Be sure and wear eye protection.

Part of owning a .22 semi auto? I don't think so. I have a Ruger 10-22 with well over 10000 rounds through it and have NEVER had an OOB. I don't know a single person who ever has. So I don't think this is just part of owning a .22 semi auto.

 

[BELT_FED]

Part of owning a .22 semi auto? I don't think so. I have a Ruger 10-22 with well over 10000 rounds through it and have NEVER had an OOB. I don't know a single person who ever has. So I don't think this is just part of owning a .22 semi auto.

well not trying to start up a stink but ive got more rimfires than i care to mention(i collect them) ive got three 10/22s and 1 has had well over 500,000 rounds ive replaced most every thing on it minus the frame... that being said if you allways shoot the same ammo and stick to stuff that you know runs well through them you may never have a OOB that being said ive had many OOBs over the years in bolt guns and all... it happens... ive had a ruger blow the mag out of the bottom where my are was resting and calt my jacket on fire.. it happens... the 15-22s seem to be a bit more prone to do it from what ive read... ive got many rds through mine with no prob. but it could happen tomorrow

 

[Mike M]

I had the same thing happen in the first 50 rounds. was shooting federal bulk pack. smith has had it 3 weeks now. not real happy with this gun or s and w servise dept. they should throw in some mags for the trouble this gun has caused me.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

I have over 10k rounds thru my 15-22 with no OOB.

I have had one OOB experience with a .22 semi-auto in my life. It was a few years ago with a Ruger 22/45 with maybe 30k rounds thru it.

I shoot .22 pistols every Friday with 2-3 other guys. Collectively, we probably go through 1k rounds +/- (depends on much we BS). No one is having OOBs.

In contrast, there's a never ending stream of OOB reports here with the 15-22 under 1k rounds. And these reports aren't just coming from folks who sign up with S&W forums once their rifle failed. Many reports have been from 15-22 owners that were initially reporting here how great their rifle was. That tells me that the 15-22 is malfunctioning at a rate completely off the charts in comparison to other .22s.

 

[fishinbill85]

I have over 10k rounds thru my 15-22 with no OOB.

I have had one OOB experience with a .22 semi-auto in my life. It was a few years ago with a Ruger 22/45 with maybe 30k rounds thru it.

I shoot .22 pistols every Friday with 2-3 other guys. Collectively, we probably go through 1k rounds +/- (depends on much we BS). No one is having OOBs.

In contrast, there's a never ending stream of OOB reports here with the 15-22 under 1k rounds. And these reports aren't just coming from folks who sign up with S&W forums once their rifle failed. Many reports have been from 15-22 owners that were initially reporting here how great their rifle was. That tells me that the 15-22 is malfunctioning at a rate completely off the charts in comparison to other .22s.

CAN I GET AN AMEN!!!!

 

[maxicooper]

I think I might be one of the luckier ones.