Make my day type laws

[JOERM]

I'm sort of surprised that the Zimmerman story hasn't been discussed here. Maybe it is best to not. That's not what I am intending to do but the gun law in FL what ever they call itand the Make my day law in OK and the one in TX. Im OK with them but it just is difficult for me to believe. First of all I don't think that I would EVER trust that law to defend me nor would I have it make me pull the trigger any sooner. In WA and in most states you better make dog gone sure your life is at stake. Some quick and short fist fight between two almost equal guys will not be justifiable to kill for the one on the bottom. You almost for sure will be found guilty.

 

[Texas Star]

The case IS being discussed in the Concealed Carry forum. But you don't know what happened in the Zimmerman case, so don't make statements like you did until the evidence is out in court. Maybe Zimmerman felt the deceased was grabbing for his lawfully carried weapon!

He made a bad decision to follow the black lad, but what actually happened to cause him to shoot is yet to be public knowledge. The very fact that he was not intially arrested or charged until the media created a racial circus is significant, I think.

 

[StatesRightist]

Make my day law? What do you work for the New York Times? I'm kidding to a certain point, but your using anti-gun crowd misnomers does not impress. That is not the point of the law. I'm not trying to jump on you, just reset your thinking a little bit.

Think the tourist in Baltimore would liked to have had a chance to defend himself?

 

[P&R Fan]

I don't want to offend anybody, but they're not "Make my day laws". That is the kind of talk that gives soundbites to the people who would take away our rights to self defense. I am not an attorney, but it seems to me the laws that have recently been passed are designed to protect people who have to use a weapon in self defense. If a law is broken they can still be prosecuted. Regardless of what I have been hearing on the news, they are not there to just give people the right to kill if they feel scared. The opportunity has to be there on the part of the attacker, as well as the intent. If those factors are not there, deadly force is not allowed. The case in Florida has a lot of angles and I'm sure we don't know all the details. I am not comfortable with the actions of the shooter based on what I have heard in the media. But then again, we weren't there, so I will reserve judgement. There have been many cases where people have done the wrong thing in the name of self defense. Not everybody studies tactics and the law, and they often end up paying the price for those wrong decisions.
Jim

 

[Rule3]

Well before this thread is closed I just want to add that I am soooo tired of this story

Another tried in the Media Event. NO ONE knows nor will they, what really happened.

Even the AG is made his posturing that Federal charges will be brought if it is determined a hate crime. Now there is a guy we can trust

I think it best that I just shut up now.

 

[sipowicz]

Think the tourist in Baltimore would liked to have had a chance to defend himself?

No need to...I'm sure Reverend Sharpton will march into downtown Baltimore and demand justice for that innocent tourist who was brutally attacked by that gang of thugs.

 

[DeadAye]

I don't want to offend anybody, but they're not "Make my day laws". That is the kind of talk that gives soundbites to the people who would take away our rights to self defense. I am not an attorney, but it seems to me the laws that have recently been passed are designed to protect people who have to use a weapon in self defense. If a law is broken they can still be prosecuted. Regardless of what I have been hearing on the news, they are not there to just give people the right to kill if they feel scared. The opportunity has to be there on the part of the attacker, as well as the intent. If those factors are not there, deadly force is not allowed. The case in Florida has a lot of angles and I'm sure we don't know all the details. I am not comfortable with the actions of the shooter based on what I have heard in the media. But then again, we weren't there, so I will reserve judgement. There have been many cases where people have done the wrong thing in the name of self defense. Not everybody studies tactics and the law, and they often end up paying the price for those wrong decisions.
Jim

I got mugged when I was a kid.
I RAN.
I ran right into a gas station guard dog!
The dog mauled me...

The Gary (IN) Post Tribune article pretty much said that I attacked the dog - No Kidding. They didn't mention the armed robbery that preceded the doggy adventure - They didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings (go ahead - guess).

I don't believe ANYTHING that I read in the Funny Papers.

 

[jkc]

I have been astounded (not surprised, but astounded) at the mindless jabbering of so-called "journalists" who have tried to spin this incident as a consequence of Florida's so-called "Stand Your Ground" doctrine, or SYG as some kind of protective shield against prosecution for homicide. I watched a bit of local TV news this morning, wherein a blond woman "reporter" with large breasts (her only apparent qualifications for the job) had the AZ equivalent of SYG patiently, carefully, clearly explained to her by a local criminal defense attorney. She still tried to suggest that if not for this, the kid might still be alive. During much of the segment, while the news bimbo and the attorney were talking, the onscreen images were a collage of images of the slain kid, mostly amateurish cell-phone style photos of the kid as an adolescent, and much younger teen, clearly intended to imply that an innocent child was the "victim". No "news" outlet, anywhere, has to my knowledge referred to the shooter as the "victim".

 

[ancient-one]

This post is only about the Oklahoma Law, nothing else. It provides for a person using good judgement, the right to protect themselves anytime and anywhere when they feel that their lives are being threatened.
The unwritten part of the law is the use of good judgement. You better have a valid reason to shoot or the law does you no good whatsoever.

 

[JOERM]

Make my day law? What do you work for the New York Times? I'm kidding to a certain point, but your using anti-gun crowd misnomers does not impress. That is not the point of the law. I'm not trying to jump on you, just reset your thinking a little bit.

I'm not a NYT employee silly. I'm only stating what the laws are here in WA and what was taught at my CC class and you best be sure your life is at risk and think fast. What I stated had nothing to do with the stupid thing going on in FL, Period. I even stated it should not be discussed on this post. But, having said that, that's kind of what happened isn't it? I've been in many fist fights in my younger days and never was killing considered. But, it seems to me that these laws are so vague and most of the folks in those states don't know the legal aspects of it. Like I said on the OP, I don't have a problem with the law. Hell, what do I know, maybe at the gun trainings they explain the law.

Moderators, shut this thread down now if you think it is going to go south. OOPS, is that PC to say that??

 

[JOERM]

The case IS being discussed in the Concealed Carry forum. But you don't know what happened in the Zimmerman case, so don't make statements like you did until the evidence is out in court.

I can make any statement I want to and I wasn't talking about the "Z" case. Re-read my OP. Did I say I knew anything about this case??? No. I'm only referring to the laws in most other states and I really hope this case does not go in the anti gun sides favor which is exactly what this is ALL about. Gezz. Case close on my part.

 

[yaktamer]

Okay. Laws such as those in Florida and Arizona, more acurrately described as "no duty to retreat" laws, do NOT give people carte blanche to use deadly force whenever they feel like it. They simply provide that, under circumstances under which deadly force is OTHERWISE justified, one need not attempt to retreat before employing such force. I'm offering no opinion on any particular case.

 

[Texas Star]

]I'm sort of surprised that the Zimmerman story hasn't been discussed here. Maybe it is best to not. That's not what I am intending to do but the gun law in FL what ever they call itand the Make my day law in OK and the one in TX. Im OK with them but it just is difficult for me to believe. First of all I don't think that I would EVER trust that law to defend me nor would I have it make me pull the trigger any sooner. In WA and in most states you better make dog gone sure your life is at stake. Some quick and short fist fight between two almost equal guys will not be justifiable to kill for the one on the bottom. You almost for sure will be found guilty.

Joerm, read your own post again. It includes the proof that you did mean the Zimmerman case. You badly need to learn to make your points better if you mean to discuss only something else. Sheesh!

 

[JOERM]

Sorry Mr. Texas star. This case is the exact case taught in my firearms class years ago. What I wrote has Jack **** about the Z case. Try as you may to differ. I am not picking sides here on this. I am only questioning the make my day law WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS GOING TO BE ALL ABOUT!!!In case you could not figure that out. Oh yea, this case could also start a civil war, which is exactly what some politicians want, including others. Lets all be brothers on this OK? I'm on all your side here. Sleep good and God Bless Us All.

 

[DeadAye]

Some *journalist* trying to be cute comes up with a stupid name for a law and away we go.
The idea that you should back down to the goblins of this world is just flat absurd.
The "Just give them what they want and they'll leave you alone" philosophy doesn't work - *They* just see you as weak and then want MORE.

I learned a long time ago that I'm much better off standing and fighting.
When you run you never know what you're running into.
At my age I'd rather not hurt my hands, but my stand on the matter remains the same.

 

[P&R Fan]

Sorry Mr. Texas star. This case is the exact case taught in my firearms class years ago. What I wrote has Jack **** about the Z case. Try as you may to differ. I am not picking sides here on this. I am only questioning the make my day law WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS GOING TO BE ALL ABOUT!!!In case you could not figure that out. Oh yea, this case could also start a civil war, which is exactly what some politicians want, including others. Lets all be brothers on this OK? I'm on all your side here. Sleep good and God Bless Us All.

Not to beat a dead horse, but where do you get the title "make my day law"? I seriously doubt any state calls it that. I'm sure the anti-gun media would love to hear a gun owner call it that. I don't want to offend anybody, but that would make their day. It does us responsible gun owners, and carriers, no good to call it that.
Jim

 

[williamlayton]

Laws do not protect. Lawyers protect.
Laws are only for reporting so that lawyers can find the charges.
Anywho---this thing needs to die a quick and violent death.
Blessings

 

[quneur]

The real question hasn't been asked so far, "What happened to the Skittles?"

 

[JOERM]

Not to beat a dead horse, but where do you get the title "make my day law"? I seriously doubt any state calls it that. I'm sure the anti-gun media would love to hear a gun owner call it that. I don't want to offend anybody, but that would make their day. It does us responsible gun owners, and carriers, no good to call it that.
Jim

That's what they call it in Oklahoma. I did not make it up. BTW, I just recalled that Gov. Jed Bush, who signed the FL gun law into law, publicly stated when this started that this case does not fall under the gun law he signed. Not sure how that's going to play out in all this but it wont help GZ bit may help defend the gun law.

 

[jlrhiner]

I've tried to stay out of these, but here goes. The "Castle Doctrine" laws, and I'm lumping them all together, regardless of state, do not give you any additional ability or permission to shoot someone. They clarify the rights you have to defend yourself and afford protections from arbitrary lawsuits afterwords. You still have to be Right! The way they are made to sound is as if you could just roam the streets and gun down potential threats! That is not the intent.

If Zimmerman is found to be innocent, the laws will protect him from the family suing for loss. If he's guilty, he goes to jail and the family is free to seek compensation. If that's not how the law in your state reads, better get to work, cause something's wrong. You have the given right to protect yourself, family and friends. You do Not have the right to place yourself in jeopardy and claim self defense.

Maybe I'm naive, but this case should change nothing. If he's right, he's right. If he was wrong, he's wrong. A jury will decide it, just like it's supposed to.

 

[Rule3]

Living in Florida, they only thing that concerns me about this whole case is the potential of taking a perfectly good Law (Stand your Ground) and messing it up.
There is all this talk and posturing about "re visiting", taking another look etc at the Law.

Anytime they do that it usually ends up worse for law abiding citizens.

Did that law apply in this case? I have no idea what all the facts are, but I have my own ideas(opinion) based on the tidbits of info fed to us.
As we will only be able to hear one side of the story, who really knows??

The SYG law was recently upheld in a local case where a school kid had been "bullied" constantly by some other kid and he finally stabbed(killed) him at the bus stop. In that case there were a lot of witnesses and a track record.

If we are going to discuss the case, lets do that and not jab at each other so the thread can stay open.

 

[keith44spl]

That's what they call it in Oklahoma. I did not make it up.

Ha! What a Line....Gettin a smile from a good lookin woman makes my day!

Havin to take a life, even when your in the right....Won't Make Your Day.

I sincerely hope no one here has to carry that burden, right or wrong.

Su Amigo,
Dave

 

[stacy06]

Just in reference to the name..... its been 20 years since I took a class on Utah criminal code. However, at least at that time, it was called "Make My Day." Right or wrong, that was the name.

 

[bubbiesdad]

That's what they call it in Oklahoma. I did not make it up. BTW, I just recalled that Gov. Jed Bush, who signed the FL gun law into law, publicly stated when this started that this case does not fall under the gun law he signed. Not sure how that's going to play out in all this but it wont help GZ bit may help defend the gun law.

That's what they call it in Oklahoma.

Who is "they"?

 

[McBear]

Not to beat a dead horse, but where do you get the title "make my day law"? I seriously doubt any state calls it that. I'm sure the anti-gun media would love to hear a gun owner call it that. I don't want to offend anybody, but that would make their day. It does us responsible gun owners, and carriers, no good to call it that.
Jim

That term has been around since the 1980s. I have heard it used by those on both sides of the discussion, though it appears to be regional.

 

[Pote]

That's what they call it in Oklahoma.

Who is "they"?

exactly......

 

[labworm]

I've tried to stay out of these, but here goes. The "Castle Doctrine" laws, and I'm lumping them all together, regardless of state, do not give you any additional ability or permission to shoot someone. They clarify the rights you have to defend yourself and afford protections from arbitrary lawsuits afterwords. You still have to be Right! The way they are made to sound is as if you could just roam the streets and gun down potential threats! That is not the intent.

If Zimmerman is found to be innocent, the laws will protect him from the family suing for loss. If he's guilty, he goes to jail and the family is free to seek compensation. If that's not how the law in your state reads, better get to work, cause something's wrong. You have the given right to protect yourself, family and friends. You do Not have the right to place yourself in jeopardy and claim self defense.

Maybe I'm naive, but this case should change nothing. If he's right, he's right. If he was wrong, he's wrong. A jury will decide it, just like it's supposed to.

Just when I thought common sense has disappeared in America, you have to show up

 

[Real Sniper]

Colorado's law is actually called the "Make My Day" law. Protects a home owner from criminal prosecution and civil litigation if he/she properly uses deadly force to protect his home, him/herself, or others. Several families of victims (the perps) tried to file suit and the cases were dismissed. The conservative majority house in Colorado has tried to get another law passed which would protect businesses as well, but the democrat controlled senate keeps shutting it down. Makes you wonder who's side the democrats are on.

 

[jlrhiner]

Just when I thought common sense has disappeared in America, you have to show up

It was a lucid moment it's ok now though, I'm back on my meds