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Possibly lost my slide for my S&W model 4006. Can't find a replacement as of yet thru Gunbroker or other web sites. Are other models like 4003, 4046, slides interchangeable?
May have lost my slide for S&W 4006
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I sent it off to get some engraving done. The engraver passed. I'm hoping that maybe after a respectful amount of time, I can persue it's return.
As an experienced estate administrator for the Court after my LE retirement, check with the Probate Court where your engraver passed. Depending on his financial situation, you may have as little as 90 days to make a claim to get your property returned.
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The owner (Bailey) sends his slide to engraver (Bailor)
How can another man's property become part of the engraver's estate.
If the engraver had a **business** engraving wouldn't that be separate from his personal property?
Wouldn't it be the court or administrator's responsibility to keep business and personal separate and get the all of the customers properties back to his clients?
Or is it just the court's responsibility to inform.
If the client isn't able to claim the property within the 90 day period who would then take possession of said property?
When death occurs it it AMAZING how many hands get involved.
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Cautionary statement, the answers to your questions vary greatly based on the location (jurisdiction) involved. So does the terminology, for example, I refer below to the Administrator (usually a person appointed by the Court to administer the estate), if named by will, that person may be called the Executor, or the two lumped together and called a Personal Representative. One or more of these categories may have different powers, backed up or not by a bond, and subject or not to supervision by the Probate Court. The answers below are general and not intended to apply to a specific situation or "legal advice" but merely to suggest points of caution and places for local consultation.
Q: How can another man's property become part of the engraver's estate.
ANS: It shouldn't but a lot depends on how accurate his records are !!!
Q: If the engraver had a **business** engraving wouldn't that be separate from his personal property?
ANS: Yes, but in many places, absent proof to the contrary (see records comment above), possession may be controlling and, if there are insufficient assets even in his business, items may be liquidated and paid out based on a priority schedule.
Q: Wouldn't it be the court or administrator's responsibility to keep business and personal separate and get the all of the customers properties back to his clients? or is it just the court's responsibility to inform?
ANS: In all jurisdictions i am aware of it is the courts duty to inform and supervise the administrator's compliance with applicable statutes and law.
Frequently, this train goes off the rails when the deceased was unable to keep up with his record keeping due to severe illness or sudden death. The administrator is then faced with insufficient info to be able to determine who owned what. If caretakers or family has access to the home or business location and choose to "help themselves" before the administrator gets appointed, the administrator is faced with a very difficult situation. Rightly or wrongly, caretakers or family may feel "entitled" to a preference over the assets that is NOT based on or recognized by the law.
The purpose of filing claims is partly to assist the administrator in filling in gaps in the records so that the administrator has a "bigger picture" of the overall "balance sheet".
Q: If the client isn't able to claim the property within the 90 day period who would then take possession of said property?
The administrator takes possession under any circumstances and determines how the assets are returned or paid out subject to review by or litigation or appeal to the court.
Q: When death occurs it it AMAZING how many hands get involved.
ANS: YES, VERY TRUE STATEMENT !!!! Further, those hands get involved often based on emotion and not law or logic. Example, 40 yrs ago, my grandmother promised me her valuable heirloom necklace so I'll take it so it doesn't get sold to pay the medical bills.
Q: How can another man's property become part of the engraver's estate.
ANS: It shouldn't but a lot depends on how accurate his records are !!!
Q: If the engraver had a **business** engraving wouldn't that be separate from his personal property?
ANS: Yes, but in many places, absent proof to the contrary (see records comment above), possession may be controlling and, if there are insufficient assets even in his business, items may be liquidated and paid out based on a priority schedule.
Q: Wouldn't it be the court or administrator's responsibility to keep business and personal separate and get the all of the customers properties back to his clients? or is it just the court's responsibility to inform?
ANS: In all jurisdictions i am aware of it is the courts duty to inform and supervise the administrator's compliance with applicable statutes and law.
Frequently, this train goes off the rails when the deceased was unable to keep up with his record keeping due to severe illness or sudden death. The administrator is then faced with insufficient info to be able to determine who owned what. If caretakers or family has access to the home or business location and choose to "help themselves" before the administrator gets appointed, the administrator is faced with a very difficult situation. Rightly or wrongly, caretakers or family may feel "entitled" to a preference over the assets that is NOT based on or recognized by the law.
The purpose of filing claims is partly to assist the administrator in filling in gaps in the records so that the administrator has a "bigger picture" of the overall "balance sheet".
Q: If the client isn't able to claim the property within the 90 day period who would then take possession of said property?
The administrator takes possession under any circumstances and determines how the assets are returned or paid out subject to review by or litigation or appeal to the court.
Q: When death occurs it it AMAZING how many hands get involved.
ANS: YES, VERY TRUE STATEMENT !!!! Further, those hands get involved often based on emotion and not law or logic. Example, 40 yrs ago, my grandmother promised me her valuable heirloom necklace so I'll take it so it doesn't get sold to pay the medical bills.
SWOOP01
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Numrich has a slide for the 4006.
HOUSTON RICK
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Don't wait, you have rights, but they are time sensitive wherever this is being handled.
Green Frog
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Op, for the benefit of all of us who deal with leaving guns or major parts with our gunsmiths, please keep us informed of your progress.
In addition, the legal info provided by various members of the community is vital. Perhaps we could even develop a template for both 'smiths and their customers to provide a paper trail when sending or leaving guns or major parts for work(??) I'm sure such a thing exists somewhere, but there really doesn't seem to be any consistency even between gunsmiths in the same town.
Froggie
In addition, the legal info provided by various members of the community is vital. Perhaps we could even develop a template for both 'smiths and their customers to provide a paper trail when sending or leaving guns or major parts for work(??) I'm sure such a thing exists somewhere, but there really doesn't seem to be any consistency even between gunsmiths in the same town.
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I got my 4006 slide back
Received a call from the wife of the man who was going to do engraving for me. She said she had found the slide and she would send it back to me. It took about a week. No work had been done to the slide, but I was glad to have it returned. Now , I don't know if I want to look for someone else to work on it or just be blessed it came back home.
Received a call from the wife of the man who was going to do engraving for me. She said she had found the slide and she would send it back to me. It took about a week. No work had been done to the slide, but I was glad to have it returned. Now , I don't know if I want to look for someone else to work on it or just be blessed it came back home.
the big guy
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If you haven't already seen it, EveryGunPart.com has parts sets from an untold number of guns. There is sadness in every sale there, when you imagine the destruction that went into all the original frames. But you can get cylinders, barrels and slides, as well as the minor parts, for a lot of guns. Just no frames.
Received a call from the wife of the man who was going to do engraving for me. She said she had found the slide and she would send it back to me. It took about a week. No work had been done to the slide, but I was glad to have it returned. Now , I don't know if I want to look for someone else to work on it or just be blessed it came back home.
I would just be happy to get it back. Put it back together, shoot it and enjoy it.
Green Frog
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I'm guessing that particular slide wasn't intended to be engraved. If I did want to try again on an engraved slide I'd have a replacement available before I let it out of my hands, but then again maybe I'm just being pessimistic. I'm glad it worked out so you got yours back. It seems like most folks in the firearms family will try to do what's right.
Froggie
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Put it back together and go shooting....Fate may be trying to tell you something ...Received a call from the wife of the man who was going to do engraving for me. She said she had found the slide and she would send it back to me. It took about a week. No work had been done to the slide, but I was glad to have it returned. Now , I don't know if I want to look for someone else to work on it or just be blessed it came back home.
Glad it has been returned .
If you must get it engraved ...find a local engraver .
Don't mail it anywhere .
Gary
At least it wasn't half finished.Received a call from the wife of the man who was going to do engraving for me. She said she had found the slide and she would send it back to me. It took about a week. No work had been done to the slide, but I was glad to have it returned. Now , I don't know if I want to look for someone else to work on it or just be blessed it came back home.
