MEDICARE ADVANTAGE-----IS IT?

I just turned 65. This Medicare stuff makes my eyes glaze over.

I kept BC/BS Federal into retirement. My wife (60) is covered under that. They sent me a Medicare card, so I guess I have that too.

I’m sure I’m paying more than I would need to, but its worth it to not have to think about it.

I have been on Medicare plus the Federal BC/BS since I retired at 75 from NCI 10 years ago. (Sig had to retire earlier as an FBI agent). Is the extra a trifle expensive?, yes is the answer, but on the plus side, my wife's heart valve replacement and pacemaker fitted at the University of Pennsylvania (one of the top three or four hospitals in the US) was "listed at >$176,000". My payment of $50 was the parking charges in their garage. Magnificent care!

Sig, keep the Federal BC/BS as unlike most of these the Federal one works overseas as well, medicare does not. Dave_n
 
Medicare premiums and plans are offered to you by what county you live in. My local medical center is not affiliated with Advantage plans who want you to go to the next big town. The locals will apologize to you if they can't fit you in the next day. I keep a supplement.

This is the key. Access to good healthcare and how much you pay varies hugely according to where you live. One of Nevada's dirty little secrets is the lack of healthcare providers. Sure, we have emergency rooms and trauma centers, but for cancer and such, most 'proper' care requires travel and lodging with all the expense that generates. Try doing that when you have a job in a 'right to work (fire)' state given the limited PTO most get in the US.

US employers need to have their 'you being sick is your fault' beaten out them, on YouTube, with Game of Thrones enhancements for tough cases.
 
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(My only personal experience involved three days in Cardiac Intensive Care, three more days in (regular, everyday cardiac care), and the tab was $60,000. I paid exactly NOTHING out of pocket!)

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Here's how that's working out: Instead of paying $200 and something each month for insurance over the past coming up four years, I've paid what Medicare didn't out of pocket. I kept close track of it for awhile. After about two years, and out of pocket about $800, I decided keeping close track of it was a waste of time. Now, after about four years, it's somewhere just a bit over $1,000. If that strikes you as chump change, you're right on target!!

So if you have Medicare A&B only it would have covered 80% of that $60,000. In other words not having a supplement plan it would have cost you only $12,000. If you have a serious illness that 20% can put you on Mediaid (after you've lost everything, house IRA, savings,etc. and your wife's money

I've been on Medicare for over 8 years. I have a high deductible Plan G ($2800 deductible). Once I met the deductible I'm covered 100%. Originally I started on Plan G no deductible, 1s year was cheap, 2nd year it doubled, 3rd year it doubled again so I switched to the high deductible for $38 a month. Also try switching plans once you're on one plan. Insurers once a complete physical. I keep getting turned down because I have a touch of arthritis,
 
My wife has an advantage plan and I have traditional Medicare with a supplement. The supplement is $222 during my 77th trip around the sun. I’m sure it will go up in February when it renews. It pays all deductible and copayments. The sum of these routinely exceeds the $222. I have COPD and some of the drugs to treat are incredibly expensive. Drugs are not covered at all, but breathing treatments delivered via a nebulizer are covered under part B as durable medical equipment.
Bottom line is that if you are pretty healthy the advantage plans may work well for you. If not, stay far, far away from them.
 
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Was a Hospital Admin for 15 years, with the Pa Hospital Association then private practice representing Hospitals negotiating contracts w/ Insurers for 20 years.

We're lucky as my wife was a Commonwealth Employee and the retirement benefits include supplemental coverage.

Ins Companies make a ton of money off "Advantage" Plans ..... all I can say is .........................go Supplemental
 
Many years ago, when I signed up for Medicare, I talked with an insurance agent and he said to stay away from Advantage, and just get a secondary insurance plan, which I did. He said he had several people who signed up for Advantage and after a couple bad experiences wish they hadn't. I have had Medicare and Physicians Mutual as a secondary since 2014 and am very satisfied . If it ain't broke, don't fix it !!!
 
It's confusing and hard to decipher but this is my understanding.

I'm relatively healthy, the Advantage plans work for me. The HMO I like to use at first only took their own Advantage plans so it wasn't a tough choice. Now their plans have been gutted of extra benefits and they are accepting some of the Advantage Plans from UHC, Aetna, and Wellcare. But still, they only take Advantage.

The one I'm thinking about is $0 per month, $3,000 dental, $300 Vision, and $120/month OTC that rolls over month to month, and Gym Membership. The thing I use the most is the Dental.

Regular Medicare would work for me if my provider organization took it. The problem with it is if you get really sick and run up huge bills. The Advantage plans have an annual maximum out-of-pocket that ranges from $3,000-$10,000. There is no maximum out-of-pocket with regular Medicare, hence the supplemental insurance. If you get something expensive you could end up with quite a bill if you have Medicare alone.
 
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So if you have Medicare A&B only it would have covered 80% of that $60,000. In other words not having a supplement plan it would have cost you only $12,000. If you have a serious illness that 20% can put you on Mediaid (after you've lost everything, house IRA, savings,etc. and your wife's money

You're not kidding. About 4 years ago I spent 3 days in the hospital because of a possibility that I was having a stroke. When I got the Explanation of Benefits I about choked when I did some mental arithmetic to calculate what the 20% Medicare didn't cover would have been. Luckily I had prepared by having a supplemental plan.
 
Hospital "charges" [the statement you get] are generally nowhere near what Hospitals actually get from an Ins Co. , Medicare or Medicaid.

Back in the day the only ones that paid charges were Auto Ins and Workers Comp claims........ about 7% of the business. Today, by law, they pay the Medicare/Medicaid rate + 5-10%

Not unusual for Hospitals and Physicians [in Pa,] get less than $ .50 on the dollar vs "charges"

Most Hospitals here, by Board/Hospital policy, will accept as little as $ .50-.60 on the dollar from self pay or on deductibles. You need to ask.

Hospital margins are are better than Grocery stores but still only about 3-6% which is why many Community Hospitals are closing or downsizing.

Ya, the system has been screwed up since about 1983.
 
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Recent article in the Wall Street Journal shows that Medicare Advantage plans are not for the sick. Once you get expensive, they start throwing up obstacles to prevent you from getting care. Such as the OP is experiencing with multiple rejections.

The business plan of Medicare Advantage Insurance companies is to collect premiums, and deny benefits.
 
Nevada

This is the key. Access to good healthcare and how much you pay varies hugely according to where you live. One of Nevada's dirty little secrets is the lack of healthcare providers. Sure, we have emergency rooms and trauma centers, but for cancer and such, most 'proper' care requires travel and lodging with all the expense that generates. Try doing that when you have a job in a 'right to work (fire)' state given the limited PTO most get in the US.

US employers need to have their 'you being sick is your fault' beaten out them, on YouTube, with Game of Thrones enhancements for tough cases.

Greedy attorneys are the primary reason Nevada (especially Las Vegas) is short of healthcare professionals.
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I just turned 65. This Medicare stuff makes my eyes glaze over.

I kept BC/BS Federal into retirement. My wife (60) is covered under that. They sent me a Medicare card, so I guess I have that too.

I’m sure I’m paying more than I would need to, but its worth it to not have to think about it.

I kept my Blue Cross Blue shied when I retired from the federal government. I also have Medicare and Medicare Part D. Some of my diabetes meds are outrageously expensive. Those alone would be about twice what I am out of pocket for BC/BS for a month.

When my wife went through palliative care for her battle with brain cancer, the bills. were over $600,000. I look at my BC/BS bill which combined with Medicare covered everything and think I will keep it because I will always be ahead. Also I owe a special thank you to Lutheran Hospice Care who were wonderful in her final weeks
 
Given the average age range of the forum and how often this comes up maybe we should ask the management for a "Medicare" subforum. ;)

Medicare Advantage is good as long as you are healthy. Other than that, it's very limited in what it will do.

BAM-BAM made some great points, so I'll try to limit my comments as much as possible.

I learned more than I ever wanted to about medical billing when I was the project manager for my services electronic Patient Care Report system.

At the time, auto insurance paid every penny billed on a first come - first served basis until the money was gone. So, it was a race to get the bills in first. We lost that race because of our archaic paper based billing system. We also lost three billable reports a day for one reason or another.

Medicare pays a pretty small portion of what is billed, which is why a supplement is necessary. They'll pay 80% of what they allow, not what the hospital bills. The supplement makes up the rest. Some hospitals will do a sliding scale based on your income, but many won't. No supplement, you pay "retail."

Medicaid is even worse for the hospitals and other medical providers. The people on Medicaid pay nothing.

You can be on both Medicare and Medicaid, but as someone else mentioned you have to spend down your money. You do NOT have to sell your house if one spouse is still living and living there. My friend had Dementia and had to go to a nursing home and his wife did have to "spend down" much of their savings before applying for that. They exam the finances thoroughly and take their sweet time. She had to hire an attorney ($10,000) to get through the process. She also had to pay for the first month in the nursing home ($16,000) and that is not reimbursed. Sadly, he died during that first month.

Medical facilities do not have to accept Medicare and FL and TX lead the nation in having facilities that don't. However, if they do accept Medicare, they have to accept your supplement.

There was a time where municipal retirees in MA didn't have to go on Medicare, but the law changed about 10 years ago. I don't know if that is federal or just MA law.

A general rule I follow about insurance ads on TV is the better the advertisement, the worse the coverage and willingness to pay out.

As BAM-BAM says the system has been screwed up since the 1980s and every attempt to make it better just makes it worse.

Hospital "charges" [the statement you get] are generally nowhere near what Hospitals actually get from an Ins Co. , Medicare or Medicaid.

Back in the day the only ones that paid charges were Auto Ins and Workers Comp claims........ about 7% of the business. Today, by law, they pay the Medicare/Medicaid rate + 5-10%

Not unusual for Hospitals and Physicians [in Pa,] get less than $ .50 on the dollar vs "charges"

Most Hospitals here, by Board/Hospital policy, will accept as little as $ .50-.60 on the dollar from self pay or on deductibles. You need to ask.

Hospital margins are are better than Grocery stores but still only about 3-6% which is why many Community Hospitals are closing or downsizing.

Ya, the system has been screwed up since about 1983.
 
Medical facilities do not have to accept Medicare and FL and TX lead the nation in having facilities that don't. However, if they do accept Medicare, they have to accept your supplement.

As I recently learned medical facilities in NC do not have to accept Medicare either. This comes up if you're in a car accident. The hospital doesn't want to accept 33 cents on the dollar so they go after the auto insurance. If the auto insurance doesn't pay they threaten to put a lien on your house. At my age I'm not moving so they can fight it out with the mortgage company after I die.
 
I have an Advantage Plan directly with the largest Medical Provider in NM.
That would be the Presbyterian Senior Care.
If you already have an established relationship with a Medical Provider, you probably want a Plan compatible with that provider.
But I ‘graduated’ from the Military Medical system (19 to 65) and had nada!
Having experienced chaos in multiple states and hospitals when my Wife was ill, I wanted simplicity!
One integrated group of Providers and Administrators.
 
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I have Medicare Advantage and am satisfied with it. It covers a lot of what Medicare doesn't cover. Mine is covered under my retirement package so no extra premium for me to pay.
I'm no expert but I suspect that they are varying levels of coverage of Medicare Advantage just like any other types of insurance.
 
Medicare Advantage? Apparently, for the insurer. Someone always pays for “free stuff”.


https://www.wsj.com/health/healthcare/medicare-health-insurance-diagnosis-payments-b4d99a5d?mod=djem10point?st=9fn35n7p8zb6liv&reflink=article_gmail_share


“Instead of saving taxpayers money, Medicare Advantage has added tens of billions of dollars in costs, researchers and some government officials have said. One reason is that insurers can add diagnoses to ones that patients’ own doctors submit. Medicare gave insurers that option so they could catch conditions that doctors neglected to record. The Journal’s analysis, however, found many diagnoses were added for which patients received no treatment, or that contradicted their doctors’ views.”
 
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