Steve K
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I want to smooth out the trigger on my S&W 25-2. I've always had good results with Wolff products, but I am wondering how the Miculek kit compares to Wolff. Does anyone have experience with these kits?
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Miculek springs kit or Wolff?
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TAROMAN
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I have tried both and settled on Wolff for all my competition revolvers.
The Bang springs from Miculek just didn't give the feel I was seeking.
OTOH, I don't have gorilla hands like Jerry either.
The Bang springs from Miculek just didn't give the feel I was seeking.
OTOH, I don't have gorilla hands like Jerry either.
crankyoldlady
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Jerry's trigger job DVD is excellent if you choose to do a light fluff n buff while you are changing springs.
It's available free through the "inter-library" loan service of your nearest public library.
Jerry Miculek’s S&W Trigger Job – DVD – Miculek
It's available free through the "inter-library" loan service of your nearest public library.
Jerry Miculek’s S&W Trigger Job – DVD – Miculek
TAROMAN
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+1 on Jerry's DVD.
If you plan to do any work on your gun, it's an invaluable resource.
If you plan to do any work on your gun, it's an invaluable resource.
I have significant experience with the Wolff products and zero with Miculek's. No complaints about Wolff.
Pizza Bob
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Again, lots of experience with Wolff RP springs but none with Jerry's. That being said, the embossed rib on the Wolff spring can sometimes be problematic as the point of the strain screw bears on the center of the rib, effectively shortening the reach of the screw.
If you go with Wolff and you start to have light strikes with the screw turned all the way in, you may need a longer strain screw - either one from a square butt (if your gun is a round butt) or 8x32 - 1/2 set screw trim to length.
I have two Wilson spring packages sitting on my bench - have yet to install them (or even look at them) so I can't comment on their effectiveness.
Adios,
Pizza Bob
If you go with Wolff and you start to have light strikes with the screw turned all the way in, you may need a longer strain screw - either one from a square butt (if your gun is a round butt) or 8x32 - 1/2 set screw trim to length.
I have two Wilson spring packages sitting on my bench - have yet to install them (or even look at them) so I can't comment on their effectiveness.
Adios,
Pizza Bob
Bobafett
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With the Wolff mainspring I've heard of many people recommending using a used hollowed out primer on the end of the strain screw.
Haven't tried it myself
Haven't tried it myself
I installed the Wolff kit on my 25-2 but I have not had it to the range yet. The trigger pull is smooth and lighter. However, I also installed one in my 617-3 and I am getting light hits. I put the factory main spring back in and a 15 pound rebound spring. Using spent shells I see hits but I don't know if they are heavy enough for ignition. The range will tell. Any experience with the 617-3 and lightening the trigger pull?
I just visited the S&W Smithing section and found a wealth of information. The information was exactly what I was looking to find.
I just visited the S&W Smithing section and found a wealth of information. The information was exactly what I was looking to find.
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MWC2068
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You can get either one from midway for about $15 each. The bang spring is flat and straighter than the wolff, with the bend in it closer to the end where it hooks to the hammer. The wolff is a longer arc the length of the spring. both will get you to the same results, but how you get there is a bit different. One is more abrupt, the other is more gradual . You would have to try them to see which you prefer.
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When you say more "abrupt" could you explain this.
I have experience only with the Miculek kit---extensive experience. Extensive because I've been messing with these guns for 50+ years, and have no need whatsoever for any instructions. I proceeded accordingly, finished the swap in no time flat, and the gun was completely locked up-------tight.
So------back to the drawing board----and the instructions. The first thing I learned was the Miculek kit gives you whatever trigger pull you want (DA), then the opportunity to try these trigger pulls as you go, and finally the opportunity to essentially start over after finishing simply by buying another strain screw and going back to that drawing board. I haven't done that because I went for the lightest pull recommended right off the bat (7 lbs.), loved it, and stuck with it----with no problems whatsoever. If anything, I could go lighter yet with a bit of measuring and whacking a bit more off the strain screw. I reckon the scientific approach would be to go lighter to the point of failure----and then take a step back. (I might add my set-up was predicted to fail with pretty much anything except Federal ammo/primers---and hasn't. I've been feeding it WW simply because I have a bunch of it.)
Ralph Tremaine
So------back to the drawing board----and the instructions. The first thing I learned was the Miculek kit gives you whatever trigger pull you want (DA), then the opportunity to try these trigger pulls as you go, and finally the opportunity to essentially start over after finishing simply by buying another strain screw and going back to that drawing board. I haven't done that because I went for the lightest pull recommended right off the bat (7 lbs.), loved it, and stuck with it----with no problems whatsoever. If anything, I could go lighter yet with a bit of measuring and whacking a bit more off the strain screw. I reckon the scientific approach would be to go lighter to the point of failure----and then take a step back. (I might add my set-up was predicted to fail with pretty much anything except Federal ammo/primers---and hasn't. I've been feeding it WW simply because I have a bunch of it.)
Ralph Tremaine
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joe44va
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How many of us really believe that Jerry is out there making springs? Could they come from Wolff?
YUP! My experience, too!
TAROMAN
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I have installed both.
Wolff is my spring choice following Jerry M's process.
Prefer the feel of the Wolff springs.
Jerry's spring is materially different and felt heavy to me.
But then again I can't fire 12 shots DA in 2 seconds, either!
Wolff is my spring choice following Jerry M's process.
Prefer the feel of the Wolff springs.
Jerry's spring is materially different and felt heavy to me.
But then again I can't fire 12 shots DA in 2 seconds, either!
I don't know who makes what springs. Is it possible Wolff makes Miculek's springs? Certainly. So much for speculation.
Here are some facts: The Miculek mainspring in my kit has a SEVERE bend toward the front maybe 3/8-1/2" down from the stirrup hooks (like 45 degrees). The last Wolff mainspring I saw (more recent) does not----it's essentially straight---looks like a regular mainspring. Is it still possible Wolff makes Miculek's springs? Certainly. So what? It's manifestly clear each of these two springs is made to a different design. What is it we're spending our money for----a spring or the designer's ideas?
Here's some perhaps more worthwhile questions---or at least more interesting: What's up with that bend? What does it do, or enable? Why's it there? And here's my favorite non-response response to that "Why's it there?" question: Because it works.
Ralph Tremaine
Here are some facts: The Miculek mainspring in my kit has a SEVERE bend toward the front maybe 3/8-1/2" down from the stirrup hooks (like 45 degrees). The last Wolff mainspring I saw (more recent) does not----it's essentially straight---looks like a regular mainspring. Is it still possible Wolff makes Miculek's springs? Certainly. So what? It's manifestly clear each of these two springs is made to a different design. What is it we're spending our money for----a spring or the designer's ideas?
Here's some perhaps more worthwhile questions---or at least more interesting: What's up with that bend? What does it do, or enable? Why's it there? And here's my favorite non-response response to that "Why's it there?" question: Because it works.
Ralph Tremaine
