Model 10 4.2"?

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I have heard tales of S&W fitting modestly overlength barrels on their pistols either as a tolerance issue, or in response to legislation that was proposed or passed.

Any truth to this? I'd dearly love to get a pistol for my son that has those dimensions without the dreaded lock...,
 
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While it is known that Colt succumbed to pressure to redesign the AR-15 I have never heard of S&W bowing to such pressure in any of it's revolver. Of course one might see the Internal Lock as just that kind of action, but I could not say for sure. .2" seems to be a bit outside the normal tolerances for S&W barrels. Are you looking at a 4.2" barreled model 10?
 
Certainly possible. There are some 6&1/8 inch model 66's and I am sure there may be more examples. Make no mistake if a company sees a large enough market and profit they will accommodate strange market niches. I know in canada there is a barrel length regulation. I live near canada and one of the local shops that sends thing to Canada has some odd balls like glock subcompacts (26/27 size) with half inch extended barrels to allow ownership in Canada and I would not doubt if smith did some models to allow ownership there. Honestly most of the odd barrel lengths sometimes talked about more often than not are the result of measurement error than an actual unique length.
I has seen a number of smith 43 revolvers ( which came standard with a somewhat unusual 3.5" barrel) listed as four inch.
 
There were quite a few different models manufactured with 4 1/4" nominal barrels for the Canadian market. Canada prohibits handguns with barrels less than 4" and apparently are very literal about this. A 4" nominal revolver that actually measures 3 63/64" would be illegal so they adopted the 4 1/4" so normal length variations would not inadvertantly run under the 4" threshold.

There are some models that simply have the 4 1/4" Length, such as the Target version of the 631 in .32 H&R.
 
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Alas it's true.

In 1998, the government in Canada enacted legislation that included a provision that made prohibited any handgun with a barrel length of less than 4.2". The move was heralded as a step towards removing guns from the hands of criminals by making the easier to conceal(!) weapons illegal.

In point of fact, it simply destroyed the value of many thousands of interesting, expensive and historically significant weapons that previously were legally owned and lawfully purchased. The criminals weren't following the first batch of laws, why would they care about the second ones?

I owned a model 66-1, 2 1/2" bbl prior to the enactment of new law, so I was grandfathered in and can continue to buy and sell these weapons. I can not pass any on to my sons unless the gun was manufactured prior to 1946, and they in turn cannot pass the firearms on under any circumstances. In the end the guns will have to be surrendered and destroyed.

I managed to find a Colt Police that was manufactured in 1945 which I purchased and transferred to my youngest son so he can now 'borrow' my prohibs legally.

I continue to hunt for one of these rare birds so he he can have a 'legacy gun' from his father. If I find a 4.2" (actually the reg reads greater than 105mm) he can register it and keep it in perpetuity.

A shot in the dark I know, but then...,
 
Couldn't a new, longer barrel above 105mm be fitted and make the gun (under CA law) "legal" instead of surrendering it?

Just asking because I'm curious.
 
Yes, a new barrel can be fitted so the gun can be re-registered. The problem is that it's generally cost prohibitive, and it kind of defeats the purpose by creating a 'Frankengun" of sorts.

The law has wreaked all manner of havoc as individuals struggle to find solutions, but welding a length of pipe on a classic firearm strikes me as a crime not a solution. To top it off, most of these weapons can't even be transferred to jurisdictions (think America) where they can continue to be prized. The day they melt down my Baby Chief will be a sorry one indeed.

S&W has responded by producing the occasional run of 4.2's for the Canadian market, but the competition (and pricing) is crazy.
 
It wasn't just Canada. Some in the European and South American market have the same restriction. My Brazil contract 586 is 4.2". So a general statement that these were most likely meant for export might be more applicable.

Adios,

Pizza Bob
 
To the OP

I posted a thread on just this issue perhaps a year and a half ago. I measured 4" bbls on some of my revolvers and found variations = and - in length.

I don't recall the replies, but you can probably use my Forum name to find the posted thread for the replies. Don't know how to do it myself. Hope this helps a little.

Kaaskop49
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P.S. The thread is entitled '4" barrel disparity.'
 
The December 2014 issue of the NRA's "The American Rifleman" has an article on the newly released 2014 version of the S&W Model 66.

It states it is being made with a 4 1/4" vs. 4" barrel so it can be sold in Canada.
 

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