Model 17 no dash

[Etalksalot]

I got a couple questions for y'all, hopefully someone could give me some advice. My local gun shop has had a blued Model 17 no dash with around a 4-5 inch barrel. It's in really nice shape and I BELIEVE it has its original target grips. They have a diamond on them. They look lightly worn, but the gun doesn't have any finish missing and is a nice tight gun.

Now I'm not a fan of .22's, especially large .22's but I want to buy a couple old Smiths that I could possibly use for a trade in the future at a gun show.

My question is, is that model with no dash something that a decent amount of people like or look for? I know it's hard to answer this because it just depends on the person I'm trying to make a trade with and what they like or think they can get for what I'm trading them.

Just want to know if this is a gun I would have a decent chance of making a trade with or add to a trade or is this a model that would most likely be useless? Again, I know this isn't a cut and dry answer and as long as I find someone that wants that model then I'm in business, but I just want to know, would this be a sound investment or should I not waste my time.

It's also pretty expensive. I think they have it at 830 bucks or something. I can talk them down some. Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks.

 

[k22fan]

Up until 1985 the shortest barrels offered on Model 17s were 6". The 4" lighter barreled version with frame corners beveled to blend with a skinny barrel rib was the Model 18. A 4" Model 17 is either a miss-stamped Model 18 or was customized. While a wrong model number stamp does not affect value significantly, customization or rebarreling negates extra value added by early no dash vintage. Depending on what it actually is it is priced at full retail or over priced for my area.

Back up and look at the situation. Do you really know more about what guns sell for in your area than a local gun store owner that has been in the business a long time? Probably not. Some times the buyers in big box stores like Cabelas are not familiar with odd areas of collecting and are afraid to stick their neck out so an occasional gun winds up on their shelf cheap. When that happens they sell fast. If this 17 no dash has been sitting around for you to think about that verifies that is not under priced.

 

[alwslate]

Sounds pretty high to me.

 

[bananaman]

Quite high as far as I am concerned. I bought a 17-2 last year July. It is a 6" from 1964. No box or extras. Was buy it now for $550. Am amazed at how well it shoots. My 1st S&W 22 revolver. Bob

 

[daddio202]

As stated if it is a model 17 it should have a 6 inch barrel. Something fishy going on if the barrel is shorter than that. Your price is no bargain if you could get it for under $700 then that's a good deal.

 

[Mike C2]

No dash 17 will date to 1957-1958. Are the grips targets or magnas? Target hammer, target trigger? $830 is maybe a LITTLE high, but 17's bring $700+ usually. The above poster at $550 got a great buy.

For a 17 collector looking for one of each it could be the piece that finished out a collection as except for the dash one is the shortest model run of any of the 17's.

One way to determine price is use the advanced search function on gun broker and look at completed auctions where the item actually sold to get an idea of real market value.

 

[Etalksalot]

Up until 1985 the shortest barrels offered on Model 17s were 6". The 4" lighter barreled version with frame corners beveled to blend with a skinny barrel rib was the Model 18. A 4" Model 17 is either a miss-stamped Model 18 or was customized. While a wrong model number stamp does not affect value significantly, customization or rebarreling negates extra value added by early no dash vintage. Depending on what it actually is it is priced at full retail or over priced for my area.

Back up and look at the situation. Do you really know more about what guns sell for in your area than a local gun store owner that has been in the business a long time? Probably not. Some times the buyers in big box stores like Cabelas are not familiar with odd areas of collecting and are afraid to stick their neck out so an occasional gun winds up on their shelf cheap. When that happens they sell fast. If this 17 no dash has been sitting around for you to think about that verifies that is not under priced.

I figured it's not under priced, I thought is was expensive. Didn't know if it was worth it. I also don't tend to trust the prices that come from someone trying to make money. I just about always assume that a used gun is overpriced as are used cars from a used car dealer a lot of times. They are a money making company so I wanted to know if it's worth spending that much money for a gun I don't like in hopes of adding to a trade in the future. I don't want to spend that much and be stuck with a gun no one else wants either. I know a lot of people like .22's so I thought this might be a gun I could get some good trade value out of. It is probably a 6 inch barrel to be honest. Some of the models I can usually tell the length, but that on I wasn't sure about. I only looked at it once so I didn't pay that much attention. I have a 642 no dash on layaway because I'm sure I can find someone who wants that in a trade or as part of a trade to get something I want. It's a good price and there are people who LOVE the 642 and I've read plenty of forums where people who love the newer 642's want to find a no dash. So that's a good investment for me, but I'm not as sure about this Model 17. I thought it was a bit overpriced. I doubt I'll get 830 dollars worth of trade credit, which I'm okay with, I expect to get less than I spend. I just don't want to end up with a gun I don't like and no use for a trade. I just didn't know if in the world of .22's, if this is a well liked gun or not. I don't claim to know more than gun stores or anyone else, I just personally feel it's may not be worth the time, effort and money to aquire. I was hoping someone would tell me if I should pass or buy.

 

[Etalksalot]

As stated if it is a model 17 it should have a 6 inch barrel. Something fishy going on if the barrel is shorter than that. Your price is no bargain if you could get it for under $700 then that's a good deal.

Barrel is probably 6 inch. I'm really more into snubs, and most Models I can tell the length, but that one I wasn't sure about. I only looked at it once and I didn't try to figure out the length. It's probably 6. I thought the price was a lot. Again, I'm only looking for something I can use in a trade one day. I don't want to be stuck with a gun that expensive that I don't like. Just wondering how many people out there would most likely like this gun. Is it big with the .22 community or just another gun? Also, like I said, I have to find someone who wants it, it all depends on that mostly, but if most people are like "eh" about that Model and dash number, I'm going to pass on it. Thanks for responding.

 

[Etalksalot]

No dash 27 will date to 1957-1958. Are the grips targets or magnas? Target hammer, target trigger? $830 is maybe a LITTLE high, but 17's bring $700+ usually. The above poster at $550 got a great buy.

For a 17 collector looking for one of each it could be the piece that finished out a collection as except for the dash one is the shortest model run of any of the 17's.

One way to determine price is use the advanced search function on gun broker and look at completed auctions where the item actually sold to get an idea of real market value.

Thank you sir. It has target grips, target trigger and diamonds on the grips. I know it's old, but undecided on it still. I'm probably going to pass on it anyway. It's the only old Smith that has been around for more than a couple weeks. Every other old Smith they have gotten is snatched up quickly. If it was 100 percent looking I might do it, but it's a little less than that, not much, but I'd doesn't look brand new brand new.

 

[BAM-BAM]

A 6" Model 17 is about the best .22 revolver you can get. Well made and highly sought after by anyone looking for a .22 for range/target use or hunting. I have 2 a 1959 and a 1957. For general carry a prefer the 4" Model 18. You might pay more for a Colt Diamondback but IMHO it may look sexier but it's not as good a gun!


Both the 4" Combat Masterpiece and 6" Target Masterpiece were made before the Model #s were introduced in 1957 so ....... a 17 would not have a 4" barrel..... so as stated it was miss-marked, cut or rebarreled?????

For any 17 in less than NIB condition $830 seems like top of the market ( at least here in W Pa.) So IMO you will lose money on any trade; in the next few years at least. A gun shop might give you $400-500 cash for it then try to sell if for $700-830 to the next guy. Trade it on another gun; any LGS , that wants to stay in business, will expect to make $$$s on both ends of that deal. They are in the business to make money.


If you want a really nice great shooting .22 go for it ....... but if you're just looking for cheap trading fodder........ not such a good deal IMO


Good Luck

 

[one eye joe]

I got a couple questions for y'all, hopefully someone could give me some advice. My local gun shop has had a blued Model 17 no dash with around a 4-5 inch barrel. It's in really nice shape and I BELIEVE it has its original target grips. They have a diamond on them. They look lightly worn, but the gun doesn't have any finish missing and is a nice tight gun.

Now I'm not a fan of .22's, especially large .22's but I want to buy a couple old Smiths that I could possibly use for a trade in the future at a gun show.

My question is, is that model with no dash something that a decent amount of people like or look for? I know it's hard to answer this because it just depends on the person I'm trying to make a trade with and what they like or think they can get for what I'm trading them.

Just want to know if this is a gun I would have a decent chance of making a trade with or add to a trade or is this a model that would most likely be useless? Again, I know this isn't a cut and dry answer and as long as I find someone that wants that model then I'm in business, but I just want to know, would this be a sound investment or should I not waste my time.

It's also pretty expensive. I think they have it at 830 bucks or something. I can talk them down some. Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks.

I HAVE AN AFFINITY FOR NO-DASH MODELS......

THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD NOT BE SPENDING $800. TO ACQUIRE TRADING FODDER. IMHO---YOU WILL NEVER RECOUP THAT FULL AMOUNT, IN A GUN SHOW TRADE......

I PURCHASED A USED MARLIN .30-30, FOR $50. IT WAS INHERITED BY AN ACQUAINTANCE, WHO HAD NO INTEREST IN GUNS, AND WANTED IT GONE FROM HIS HOME. A LGS GAVE ME $2OO. IN TRADE TOWARD A NEARLY NEW, AND BEAUTIFUL MARLIN M39A.....

TRY TO ACCUMULATE TRADING FODDER FOR CHEAP MONEY, THAT WILL BE WORTH MORE THAN YOU PAID, IN A TRADE FOR A GUN THAT YOU DESIRE......

 

[Etalksalot]

A 6" Model 17 is about the best .22 revolver you can get. Well made and highly sought after by anyone looking for a .22 for range/target use or hunting. I have 2 a 1959 and a 1957. For general carry a prefer the 4" Model 18. You might pay more for a Colt Diamondback but IMHO it may look sexier but it's not as good a gun!


Both the 4" Combat Masterpiece and 6" Target Masterpiece were made before the Model #s were introduced in 1957 so ....... a 17 would not have a 4" barrel..... so as stated it was miss-marked, cut or rebarreled?????

For any 17 in less than NIB condition $830 seems like top of the market ( at least here in W Pa.) So IMO you will lose money on any trade; in the next few years at least. A gun shop might give you $400-500 cash for it then try to sell if for $700-830 to the next guy. Trade it on another gun; any LGS , that wants to stay in business, will expect to make $$$s on both ends of that deal. They are in the business to make money.


If you want a really nice great shooting .22 go for it ....... but if you're just looking for cheap trading fodder........ not such a good deal IMO


Good Luck

Thank you. I was talking about trade at a gun show. I would never trade or sell anything to a gun shop ever. I figure I'd lose some money on it, but if I combine it with another gun in a trade I may get something I want. You answered my question on what I was wondering thank you. And it's most likely a 6 inch, I just made a guess because it's been a few weeks since I looked at it and being a huge fan of snubs, some Models it's a little harder to tell, but I'm sure it's a 6 inch. Thank you.

 

[Etalksalot]

I HAVE AN AFFINITY FOR NO-DASH MODELS......

THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD NOT BE SPENDING $800. TO ACQUIRE TRADING FODDER. IMHO---YOU WILL NEVER RECOUP THAT FULL AMOUNT, IN A GUN SHOW TRADE......

I PURCHASED A USED MARLIN .30-30, FOR $50. IT WAS INHERITED BY AN ACQUAINTANCE, WHO HAD NO INTEREST IN GUNS, AND WANTED IT GONE FROM HIS HOME. A LGS GAVE ME $2OO. IN TRADE TOWARD A NEARLY NEW, AND BEAUTIFUL MARLIN M39A.....

TRY TO ACCUMULATE TRADING FODDER FOR CHEAP MONEY, THAT WILL BE WORTH MORE THAN YOU PAID, IN A TRADE FOR A GUN THAT YOU DESIRE......

That makes sense. I don't mind losing a little bit of money to get something I really want becaude I never have enough money to buy something outright ever. The only way I'll leave a gun show with something I want is to buy things on layaway and trade them so I'm not opposed to even losing a couple hundred bucks if I get something I really want. I figured the price is too high for what I want. I'll probably pass on it. Thank you. I planned on passing, but I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a highly sought after model and dash. Thank you.