revolver_ph
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Looks off to me. Barrel too far counterclockwise viewed from the rear.
Model 60 Pro Series shoots high and right.
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Speedieguy
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I'm looking at the ribs on the sight ramp compared to the ribs on the barrel. Also, look at the space on either side of the barrel to the beveled edge of the frame. Much smaller on the left than the right.
I tried to take a picture from the muzzle end. A difficult photograph to take but visually you can see that it's off.
Called Customer Service They sent me a prepaid shipping label.
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I had the same problem with the exact model. Your barrel is clocked to 11 o'clock. I sent mine to the factory and they returned it with the barrel clocked to 1 o'clock. Traded it off to somebody who didn't care. Beautiful gun but not worth the trouble. Best, Joe
Triggernosis
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It is SO easy to index a barrel properly. All it takes is someone who gives a damn when they're putting it together. S&W and Ruger need to get their act straight! And their barrels straight.
I had the same issue, but high left on a new Model 60 Pro. Had the sights all the way down and over. Sent it back to S&W and they "adjusted the barrel" got it back and now it is dead center with the sights centered. Send it in and they will take care of it.
Edmo
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Here is my trail of returns with a 640-1 Pro Series model...
The revolver was new in the box as sent from S&W directly to me via my local gun shop. Among several other issues, the gun had an "over-clocked" barrel like yours.
Here is what I learned in the process of the four trips back to S&W and two new barrels being installed.
They initially untwisted the barrel enough to straighten it. However, as rounds are sent down the tube the rifling torques the barrel tighter and it returned to the original over-clocked position. Mine took about 6-8 month to re-twist to the original position. The original barrel shot about 3" low at 15 yards.
When I sent it back the second time they replace the original barrel. The new barrel was straight, but it shot about 6" lower than the point of aim at 15 yards. I sent it back again.
After the third trip to the mothership they replaced the barrel a second time and now it shoots to point of aim. They however forgot to etch "357 MAG" on the barrel and the tritium sights they put on this latest barrel were dead.
After the forth time back they finish production on this gun and it finally shoots where the sights point and all issues have been resolved. Did I mention it is advertised as a "Professional Series" gun?
Good luck with your revolver and getting it to shoot straight. Persistence pays off and based on my experience one time back may not be enough... It may take four! Let us know how thing go. As a bonus, at least S&W covers shipping both ways.
Edmo
On edit: Below is a video of me shooting my 640-1 Pro Series prior to the third trip back to the mothership.
Shooting My S&W 640 Pro - YouTube
The revolver was new in the box as sent from S&W directly to me via my local gun shop. Among several other issues, the gun had an "over-clocked" barrel like yours.
Here is what I learned in the process of the four trips back to S&W and two new barrels being installed.
They initially untwisted the barrel enough to straighten it. However, as rounds are sent down the tube the rifling torques the barrel tighter and it returned to the original over-clocked position. Mine took about 6-8 month to re-twist to the original position. The original barrel shot about 3" low at 15 yards.
When I sent it back the second time they replace the original barrel. The new barrel was straight, but it shot about 6" lower than the point of aim at 15 yards. I sent it back again.
After the third trip to the mothership they replaced the barrel a second time and now it shoots to point of aim. They however forgot to etch "357 MAG" on the barrel and the tritium sights they put on this latest barrel were dead.
After the forth time back they finish production on this gun and it finally shoots where the sights point and all issues have been resolved. Did I mention it is advertised as a "Professional Series" gun?
Good luck with your revolver and getting it to shoot straight. Persistence pays off and based on my experience one time back may not be enough... It may take four! Let us know how thing go. As a bonus, at least S&W covers shipping both ways.
Edmo
On edit: Below is a video of me shooting my 640-1 Pro Series prior to the third trip back to the mothership.
Shooting My S&W 640 Pro - YouTube
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Speedieguy
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Triggernosis
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Don't worry - they've now got you covered with the 2-piece barrels. However, the 60-Pro doesn't have one.Miss the days of pinned barrels.
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Speedieguy
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Just got it back from S&W today. It appears to be aligned better. I'll have to see how it shoots.
DEFINITELY looks better/aligned correctly. If someone, anyone, couldn't see how it WAS NOT screwed on straight before, in the pics you provided, they are either blind as bats, or blindly loyal bats. That barrel was CANTED.
Edmo
US Veteran
Keep an eye on the barrel alignment as you shoot the gun over the next few months...
From your original pictures the barrel was "over tightened" in the frame. To fix this they possibly just loosened the barrel slightly to achieve proper alignment.
When you fire the gun the rifling spins the bullet in one direction while the barrel is twisted in the other direction. The direction the barrel attempts to rotate is towards "tight" so every time you shoot the gun you are actually tightening the barrel.
The problem is if they only untwisted the barrel to straighten it, as you shoot the gun it will slowly rotate back to the original clocked position. This is what happened with my 640's original barrel.
I'm not sure what gunsmithing/machining tricks are required to keep this from happening, but hopefully they did it correctly on your revolver.
Take it to the range and make sure it hits where it should and watch for rotation of the barrel over the next few months.
Good luck and keep us posted!
Edmo
From your original pictures the barrel was "over tightened" in the frame. To fix this they possibly just loosened the barrel slightly to achieve proper alignment.
When you fire the gun the rifling spins the bullet in one direction while the barrel is twisted in the other direction. The direction the barrel attempts to rotate is towards "tight" so every time you shoot the gun you are actually tightening the barrel.
The problem is if they only untwisted the barrel to straighten it, as you shoot the gun it will slowly rotate back to the original clocked position. This is what happened with my 640's original barrel.
I'm not sure what gunsmithing/machining tricks are required to keep this from happening, but hopefully they did it correctly on your revolver.
Take it to the range and make sure it hits where it should and watch for rotation of the barrel over the next few months.
Good luck and keep us posted!
Edmo
