Model 642 Revolver

The older 442s and 642s aren't officially rated for +P ammunition. You can still use it of course, and most people do, but there were changes to the guns made later on. The lock free production runs that showed up recently somewhat eliminated the need to remove the IL. While this is easily done *if* one is used to opening up the side plate of a revolver, a first time revolver buyer will often find staring at all the internals a bit daunting. If in any doubt about modifying a revolver yourself, don't do it. Seek competent instruction or the services of a professional.

There are anecdotal reports of the factory being unhappy to do warranty work on a gun with the IL pulled out by the user. There are also anecdotal reports of new production J frames that need to go back for warranty work right away, so if you get an IL gun, and want the lock gone, try it out and make sure it works before modifying it.

Long story short about the lock, it's an additional point of potential failure, and if you don't need it, or want it, either get one without it or remove/disable it. Though failures are rare, they are not unknown.

The reason that some people prefer the single action option is that while a J frame is usually a close range and quick proposition, we lack crystal balls and the need for a more precise shot isn't impossible. That's the niche for the 638s. Fairly snag free and close to what a Centennial type revolver offers, but preserving the option for SA fire. Obviously the utility of such doesn't appeal to all, which is why both revolvers are in the catalog. The DAOs likely far outsell the 638.

I'll defer to FlopShank in that one can indeed learn to use something like a 340 using magnum loads, but the learning process might be unpleasant and one is going to have to be dedicated. My opinion, which is worth what you pay for it I suppose, is that if you want .357 mag performance from a relatively small gun, you're better served with a .357 Sig auto - Sig P239 or G33 come to mind. Or just use hot 9mm ammo from a compact 9. Once you get into the .357 mag, guns that are easy to carry are noticably less so to fire.
 
I'll defer to FlopShank in that one can indeed learn to use something like a 340 using magnum loads, but the learning process might be unpleasant and one is going to have to be dedicated.
Yes. There's no free lunch. I put about 1000 rds. of 125 gr. .357s through my Taurus 605 before I felt I had mastered that kind of recoil. The 360 PD with wood grips and managed recoil .357s is a little worse. I am not physically able to shoot full power 125 gr. .357s from a 360 PD without long term discomfort in my hands as a consequence. The last five rounds of R357M1 cost me a month and a half of soreness and stiffness in my right hand. When I started with the Taurus I often shot fifty rounds in a session. I feel that was a mistake. Fire a cylinder of .357s, practice with lighter .38s then finish with a cylinder of .357s. I think most people will get the .357 mastered with much less ammo than I did. My last session with my 360 was 23 rounds. Eight rounds were Speer SB, and the rest were a handload that is about 3/4 the recoil of the SB Speers. You really don't have to shoot a lot of ammo in a range session if you dryfire, and shoot often. I shoot almost every week. Keep in mind that I practice with my carry guns almost exclusively, and almost all of them are guns that most people consider less than pleasant to shoot (5" .44 mag./full power ammo, the Taurus, or SP-101/hot 125 gr. Remingtons, the 360PD/SB Speer, P3AT/Gold Dot clone handloads). After a while snappy guns with a lot of flash, blast and sting become normal.

FWIW, my Perma-Gel tests indicate that SB .357 and +P DPX are more reliable expanders than SB +P.
 
For your choices and purposes, I'd personally have to go with the 442. Mostly for the fact that I couldn't stand having the finish on my gun deteriorate, even in a carry gun, but thats just me. Either one will suit you very well. Could I suggest the Commemorative 442 if you can find one? I saw this at my local shop, I was tempted to buy it on the spot!:D

I have an M&P 340 in my near future, but I hesitate to suggest it for your first J-frame. It is VERY light for .357 and even .38+P. You could go to plain .38 rounds, but their performance isn't great. The 340 is also pretty expensive, especially compared to the other choices. Expect to pay $200 extra new easily.
 
For your choices and purposes, I'd personally have to go with the 442. Mostly for the fact that I couldn't stand having the finish on my gun deteriorate, even in a carry gun, but thats just me.

I on the other hand see the wear as a good thing. :) It proves it's a working carry gun, not some safe queen. I'm starting to notice some wear on my 642 and to me it's like a badge of honor.:D
 
thanks guys,,,lot of help... I think the 442 satisfies all the criteria....now is it easy to tell if it has the internal lock or not..aside from asking the dealer...I dont want to look like the novice that I am..:o
 
I on the other hand see the wear as a good thing. :) It proves it's a working carry gun, not some safe queen. I'm starting to notice some wear on my 642 and to me it's like a badge of honor.:D

A valid point. I don't see the wear patterns on my 1905 4th and Blackhawk as flaws, it shows that they have actually seen some good use. It seems to happen too fast on the 642 though.
 
I have a model 640, the all stainless Centennial (hammerless, 5 shot' .357 magnum - and yes, it has the lock). Even though it has S&W rubber grips, .357 magnum rounds are, well, stiff. I find the best personal defense carry is a +P jhp for this gun.

At the range that I would use this gun, up close and personal, within 7 yards (more like 7 feet) the ability to take a single action shot is about the farthest thing from my mind...If I carry a handgun I make sure I practice with it to make sure I know what it will do...
 
Clean a 642 after shooting with a mild chemical (like Breakfree) and put a coat of wax on the clearcoat occassionally, and you will see negligable wear on the finish even with lots of use. I have had mine for a few years now and carry it a lot (in my pocket as I write this) and see zero finish wear. If you oil a blued gun, you can certainly wax a clearcoated one.
 
S&W J Frames

642 Club Part Deux - THR
Everything you ever wanted to know about X42...and then some.

Same for the M&P 340, my personal favorite and I own both.
M&p 340 - THR

Either way you will be in good company.

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