Model41 problem solving Vintage 1968 mfg.

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Hi All,

Have owned this pistol since it was new in 1968.

This is a recurring topic of which I have read posts with great interest and have applied solutions. Did the extractor service then replacement and Mag lips adjustment. Did not Work still double feeds. Took it to a gunsmith who has been good over the years ,though I'm doing almost all of my own work.

He said it was ejector / slide stop assembly that was not aligning. He heated it and bent and ground it in lieu of replacement. Said one of 4 mags was bad and nothing that could be done for it. Gun was supposedly test fired with 50 rounds of CCI SV ammo during process.

Got back , took to the range fired one round of from same lot of ammo gunsmith had. Got double feed . Spent case ejected and two cartridges fed, the lower cartridge pushing up the rim base of the top one before it could chamber. got same result with all mags. Got charged a hefty price for repair, says he'll make it right ,but if there are other issues I'll bet he'll want to charge extra . I think the wrong part was fixed and/or the pistol was not thoroughly diagnosed.

I found by luck new old stock ejector/ slide stop assembly to replace repaired part if needed. Got it very cheaply and drops right in with no fitting . dimensions are almost exact , had to re-blue it.

Disassembled entire pistol except for trigger and hammer group. also got new trigger link with slide stop.

Found Breech block has battered .002 + imprint in barrel on the sides and top of chamber. went over this area lightly with 1200 paper to remove dirt and highlight indentations. The chamber was cleaned throughly so fired cases will come out easily and new enter same.

The Breech block protrudes .009 beyond the slide face, hence accounting for battering imprint in Barrel.The the sides and top of breech block are slightly rounded and battered rough metal can be felt on the side and top edges. The retaining pin comes out relative easily and does not feel loose. The breech block does not appear loose in slide upon taping and applying lateral pressure(Wiggle). Imprint is full length on extractor side an partial on other side. Alignment? the right rear of the pistol frame has more wear from the slide than any other place , a small section of the hash marks have been worn away.

Breech Block has a face depth of .047 or head space, with sides a top equal. Have not measured head space on a blow back semi auto before , but Assume I am correct. Please validate my process or advise correction. Since there is a battered imprint in barrel of .002 that would make Head space .045 and I believe a good spec figure is.043 however there is usually a G-Ng range?

I don't know if I have the the tools to to check slide/ breech block alignment with chamber. Have never had to do it. What is the method?

Also have tried new factory weight 7.5 pound and a 7 pound recoil spring. The reduced 7pd. did nothing. There is always a 6.5. Have a new main spring. Is there any benefit to clipping one or two coils off the original to reduced tension? Will it make matters worse?

Once the Pistol functions well then mags can be checked and adjusted (lips) . ordered one new mag.

Measurements taken with Brown and Sharp dial calipers constantly calibrated with gage blocks.

I believe there are more than one defect occurring at one time.

Suggestions and opinions?.

Please advise? Osprey902
 
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I've had several 41's over the years and I'll just repeat some of the info I got back in my Bullseye days.
I was told for Bullseye shooting that CCI standard velocity was the ammo of choice.
I was also told to get the Wolff 3-pack of springs that included the 6, 6.5 and 7 lb springs. I also remember the shooter telling me that the 6 lb spring seemed to work the best.
My "well" worn 41 will go alibi free in a Bullseye match, but after cleaning it......I have to shoot it to get it a little dirty to improve its function.
My 41 will not shoot "other" standard velocity ammo reliably. But a slightly dirty pistol shooting CCI standard velocity works perfect.
My pistol does not have a scratch in it, but the bluing around the grips is gone, showing me this thing was shot a lot. The slide and breach face are very imprinted with each other...showing many rounds thru the pistol.
Also on this 41, the chamber diameter is visibly looser when I compare it to one of my High Standards. My 5.5" barrel was cut shorter by .75" to reduce a little weight...because of having a UltraDot on it.
With all this wear and shorter barrel it still shoots great at 50 yards.
I'd tape and mark each mag so you know which one is "off". And try lighter springs, letting the gun get a little dirty. Also remember that I shoot a gun at 70-90 degrees. Shooting at 30 degrees "could" make my gun alibi.
 
@ Ignatz
Last attempt to shoot pistol , temp. was@ 38-40 degrees. Gunsmith tested gun at about 65 degrees. My barrel is 5.5 inches. Have the Wolff spring package of 3 ordered. Also use a Bullseye buffer with recoil spring.You are right on the cleaning issue.

Still concerned about ejector rather than extractor and concerned about alignment and possible head space issues.

I will use your input into my resolution process. Thank you. Osprey 902
 
I suggest putting one drop of oil on the top round in each mag just before firing it. It may help alleviate this problem. My fingers are crossed for you.
 
@ ignatz And Barrie

Did major disassembly ,cleaning and parts replacement. Gunsmith did not use any of the spare parts I provided.

installed new: extractor complete with spring and plunger; ejector/ slide stop; new main spring, re-installed new 7pound recoil spring and buffer. Parts lubed with FP10 and slide and rails lubed with 50-50 mixture of TW25 grease and molybellium grease.

Adjusted lips on one mag for parallel grip of cartridge similar to angle of mag.

Also polished feed ramp.

Did limited test of two times of 2 shots with 5 rounds in mag. The pistol cycled perfectly. Results are encouraging because it would jam on first shot before. Next step is go to range to see if it will function for on extended session of hope fully 200-300 rounds.

We"ll keep our collective fingers crossed . Will see if any other problems arise and if unaltered mags function.

my head space calculation of .045 still stands ,not sure if my method is the accurate.?
 

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