?? Moon Clips , 627 performance

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I am a rookie when it come to this type of gun , I am heading into a territory I have not yet discovered. I have a chance to trade for a 627 Performance center gun and it comes with Moon Clips, First Question is do. I have to use moon clips with this gun and if so what is a good brand and place to purchase them .
 
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No, you do not have to use moon clips. You can load individual cartridges with no problem I think that once you have used them though you will prefer the moon clips.

Personally I like the Ranch brand full moon clips. You can find them at Midway for around $9.00 per 8. They can be a little finiky as to which brass is used, mine prefer Remington headstamps.
You will also need a tool to load and unload them with.... take a look at MOONCLIPTOOL - Home
 
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Moon clips aren't for everyone. I happen to like them. I generally make up about 25 or 30 for my 625 and put them in an ammo pouch. Much easier than loading mags at the range. I break them down when I get home.

Not sure why more revolver cylinders aren't cut for moon clips.
 
I am liking the way moon clips, seem to be,Except what I have read is that a lot of them are finiky about what brass is used. But I should be used to that now , My 617 likes CCI Mini mags .
 
I do not use them in my 627. To me they are a PITA

For pistol calibers like 45 ACP yes you "need" them but not for 38/357

To me it is like loading and unloading twice plus farting around with a loading and unloading tool.

I have no need for "speed" loading.

Made my own "demooning tool from a Golf Club

Works for 45 ACP and 357
 

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Like the others have hinted at, what is most important is that the moon clip and the brass you are using fit together well. I'm using the three factory issued moon clips which came with my 627, and as a Starline fan I was disappointed to find the cartridges were very loose and wiggly in the clip. Fortunately for me they work extremely well with my Norma brass, so I've dedicated that lot of brass for exclusive moon clip use.
 
Look at
BMT Mooners if you are going to use moon clips. They cost a little more than other brands but I have never seen any other brand that you could load six or seven moon clips in a minute.
 
If you wish to use moon-clips for the range, try RIMZ Poly Moon Clips. Reasonable price, and work well without tools. I have only used them with my 625 JM. No issues ever with them. Bob
 
The dimensions of the relief cut above the rim on .357 and .38 special (where the moon clip clips onto the cartridge) are not established or set by SAAMI - as a result, the dimensions of this cut will vary a bit as made by various manufacturers. There are several moon clip sizes that are available based on the thickness of the metal that is used to stamp them out. I have found some that do work well with Starline brass.

I would suggest contacting the moon clip retailer and asking what dimensions should be used for your preferred brass.
 
Let's clear a few things up. First, equating your experience with moon clip use with a .45 ACP revolver to using them with an 8-shot .38/.357 caliber gun is comparing apples to oranges.

With six large holes and a cartridge that is short and round-nosed, the .45 practically loads itself, and cartridge wobble in the clip actually facilitates the loading process.

OTOH, with a cylinder of the same diameter, but now with eight smaller holes, any cartridge wobble in the clip will be working against you in trying to accomplish a quick reload. Added to that is that the longer the cartridge the more that wobble is exaggerated - this is why people competing with 8-shot 627/327's generally use short cartridge variations like .38 Long Colt and .38 Short Colt.

Secondly, as some have already pointed out, the dimensions of the groove in front of the rim, on a rimmed revolver cartridge, is left up to the manufacturer - there are no SAAMI specs like there are for the extractor groove on rimless cartridges. This complicates getting the proper cartridge to clip fit - which for the 8-shot guns you want as little cartridge wobble as possible. This means trial & error fitment tests with different headstamps and moon clips. Yes, most clip manufacturers can give you initial guidance on what clips work best with what brands of brass - but that in no way assures an optimum fit - it is a starting point at best.

Once you have found that optimum combination you now need to lay in a supply of the correct clips and brass and keep them segregated. (All this is pretty much irrelevant to .45 ACP guns as they will work well with most anything).

Third: In just about any thread that involves moon clips, inevitably somebody brings up the use of the RIMZ polymer moon clips and how great they are as they do not require the use of tools. All well and good, but RIMZ clips are only available for certain guns and not always what you would expect. Need a polymer clip for your 646? How about your 610? No problem. How about any .38/.357 N or L frame? Sorry, not available. I will throw in here that RIMZ is making clips for the 929 and they are stellar. RIMZ got their start making clips for the 25/325/625 family of guns and they have a couple variations to fit those guns.

Fourth: That leaves us using metal clips for the 627/327 guns, which means we need the proper tool(s) to optimize our enjoyment of the gun. Certainly at the top of that list is the BMT tool - the only tool you'll ever need to load and unload your clips. IN the alternative, there is the Original Moon Clip Tool (and the copies and clones out there). Slower, as it is a one cartridge at a time proposition, but it works well and has the added advantage of being usable for various calibers by simply changing the arbor, whereas the BMT is cartridge/gun specific. The Original Moon Clip Tool bills itself as both a loader & unloader, and, indeed, unloading can be accomplished with the use of the loops on the end of the tool. I have found that it is more expedient to purchase, separately, one of the screwdriver handle type unloaders, from sources like Brownells or Midway - or make one from some copper pipe or a piece of golf club shaft. There are other tools out there, but these account for the majority in use by competition shooters.

Which brings me to my fifth and final point (big sigh) - all of the above is moot if your gun is just a range toy - where the speed with which you reload is irrelevant. Then moon clips are just a convenience. Sit at home and load up your clips in front of the TV, saving you range time. However, if you endeavor to compete in any gun game that requires loading "on the clock" then moon clips are the way to go.

A lot of the above can already be found in some of the individual posts above - I just endeavored to put them in one cohesive post.

Adios,

Pizza Bob
 
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I've been using Revolver Supply moon clips for my 627. The .025 moon clips work better with Federal , Remington , CCI brass.
The .022 seem to work better with Winchester brass.

I made a demooning tool similar to the one Rule 3 posted,, and use the mooncliptool.com to load the moon clips.
I haven't tried the 38 short colt or long colt cartridge. 38 specials seem to load pretty smooth with RN or RNFP.
SWC & .357 are so much..

Ranch Products 45 acp moon clips work great with about any brass in my 25 & 625..
But the rim / groove on the auto cartridges are quite different than the 38 / 357 rimmed cartridges..
 
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Mike4sigs, it depends on what you’d like to do with the 627 and moonclips. It seems that moonclips are the preferred reloading tool for several competition shooters, but they need quite a lot of training to be used that fast, or just to be used, due to the wobbling issues already well described, that become even worse when using wad cutter bullets. Even earlier, they need some practice just to be loaded and unloaded, most often requiring specific tools , they don’t work well with all casings, they bend easily. Anyway, you might easily have a trial with them and decide whether or not they represent a plus to you, also compared to speedloaders. Also, try to shoot or at least handle the 627 before trading, so to check what’s your personal feeling about. 627 PC is overall very well balanced; the weight well controls 357 mags, but may be tiring; grips are rather thin , may not fit big hands and leave back strap uncovered, allowing less recoil quenching; the brass front sight may confusing under different light conditions. And , in one word, while being a top-class gun, 627 PC might not be the most immediately easy-to-shoot gun.
 

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