More 16 Gauge--Ithaca and Winchester

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Two 16 gauge shotguns made about the same time, '46-47, and in about the same condition. You can tell they were hardly used as evidenced by minimal wear on the slide bars and mag tubes. I like the M12(have 2) but to me the Ithaca M37 is the cats meow of field grade pumps.

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Very nice. The quality and wood to metal fit looks outstanding. Can't beat that good ole walnut. Again took high polish bluing and black walnut for granted years back. Guess the cost of those woods like black, and claro walnut have risen considerably today. Thanks for showing a couple of great older guns.
 
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My model twelve is a take down also.

With the Win choke device on it as well. The Win choke I could do without but the gun came that way so I am leaving it on.
 
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Nice old 16's.
in pic #7 it looks like the butt stock on that model 12 had been professionally bent. Are my eyes deceiving me?
 
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16's are cool - but ammo is getting hard to get in that gauge. When you do find some at a reasonable price - I'd stock up.
 
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Nice old 16's.
in pic #7 it looks like the butt stock on that model 12 had been professionally bent. Are my eyes deceiving me?

I think your eyes are playing tricks on you, probably an optical illusion from the camera phone. If you look a pic 3, the Ithaca buttstock looks bent to me at the receiver/wrist area.
 
16's are cool - but ammo is getting hard to get in that gauge. When you do find some at a reasonable price - I'd stock up.

I've been hunting with a 16 gauge since I was 14, that's 46 years. Throughout those years I have always picked up extra, especially as it became apparent that the powers that be decided it was going to be 12/20 world.
 
At one point I had a pair of Ithaca 37's-one a '46, and the other a '47. They were really nice, smooth operating guns. I enjoyed hunting with them, even though I wasn't very successful with them. They didn't fit me very well, and thus needed to move them down the road.
 
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Both great guns.....
Having lived in Ithaca for 20 years (Ithaca, New York, that is...where the Model 37 was manufactured) I have a sentimental attachment to the Model 37. And, as a left-handed shooter, I prefer the bottom ejection of the Ithaca.
 
Nice old 16's.
in pic #7 it looks like the butt stock on that model 12 had been professionally bent. Are my eyes deceiving me?

I see what you are talking about. Very possible it has had some cast-off for a right handed shooter put in.
It's easy to accomplish in the M12. No bending of the wood as with SxS's.
The stock attaches by way of a through bolt to a short tang that is screwed on the back of the frame.

That short tang can be bent. That bend (up/down,,L/R) will move the butt stock in the direction when re-attached by it's through bolt.
It doesn't take much change in the direction of that short tang to make a big difference at the butt end, so it takes some experience and usually a couple tries at it to get it right.

They can be bent 'cold' but I do them heated just to red w/a OA torch. They bend easily that way.

When correct, you then have to re-inlet the head of the stock back to the rear of the frame as the stock has changed angle of approach to the frame slightly. Not a lot of work and the shuffle guns and semi autos are easy to work over.

Most of the requests, if you get them at all anymore for this type of work, are for reducing the 'drop' on older guns which can be excessive in terms of what most shooters expect to deal with these days.
This will change the Pitch as you correct the drop this way.
But most are delighted to have the excessive drop gone and the slightly different pitch doesn't seem to be a big deal.
But it can also be corrected if needed.

Nice classic pair of pump guns.
First pump gun I ever had was a field grade Ithaca 37 16g
 
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Very Very nice.

Reminds me of a story my Dad told me. Just after the war (WWII) he wanted a new 16 ga Mad 16 but they were like hens teeth finding one. The local dealer was able to get a Mod 37 16 ga. which he bought. Firing the old paraffin coated paper shells the wax melted enough when shot that about every other shell would stick in the chamber and he would need to knock it out with a cleaning rod. After a few of these he left the fired shell in and took it back to the store and told them to get the darned thing out. The just happened to have gotten in a Mod 12 so they took the Ithaca back and he got the Winchester. He never wanted anything to do with an Ithaca after that. I always like them though ( he couldn't figure out why )

I wish I had his old Mod 12 but it went on down the road before I was born.
 
Is the 16 still popular in Argentina? I know that tremendous numbers of doves are shot there.

Yes, it is very popular, if you want to buy a new 16 gauge shotgun it will be very difficult to get it, but if you want a used 16 gauge shotgun there is a great variety, from very cheap to very expensive and of excellent quality. That is why the cartridge manufacturer Orbea (it is not the same as the Spanish arms factory) has it in production, and it is also true that there are a large number of pigeons, the hunters come from the United States and Europe and the great amount to see in the field.
 
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16 gauge shells are made in batches.

Just like every other round. You just have to look for it and stock up when you see it. I have never had a lot of difficulty in finding it.
 
Just like every other round. You just have to look for it and stock up when you see it. I have never had a lot of difficulty in finding it.

I've seen a decent selection of shot shells at Walmarts in Utah lately, including 16 ga. Good prices too. I'm always on the lookout for 28 ga. and .410 for kids. 12 ga. #8 target loads $5.48/box.
 
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