More guns equal more crime? Not in 2009, FBI crime report shows.

[Bullseye 2620]

Obama is the most anti gun, left wing, socialist, communist, libtard politician that I can remember. He is completely anti American and will do anything he can get away with to permanently change our country and way of life. He personally believes that he is above the law and is a bold face lair!

LMAO.

Charlie, don't you see how you just proved Steve's point? Obama has done nothing and promised nothing of any substance on "gun control," and he ain't gonna, because of the shellacking the Democrats took in 2000 and 2004 by pressing this issue in places like West Virginia.

Obama said repeatedly during the campaign that he wasn't going to do anything about gun control, but many of my shooting brothers and sisters went out and bought everything they could get their hands on, hence the 12% increase in firearms sales reported by the FBI and the ammo shortage (there were other factors involved there, i.e., demand from the armed forces and the government).

I was in Abingdon, Virginia during the last part of the campaign to hear Obama speak to about 1,000 people at a local high school. A very gunny bunch, to be sure. Obama was introduced and endorsed by Dr. Ralph Stanley, which in these parts is better than an endorsement from anyone except the Lord Himself. Obama stated flatly in that talk that he was going to do nothing to substantially alter the status quo on guns. Subsequent clarification by his campaign made it obvious that they were reading the same election results from 2000 and 2004 as was the NRA, and had chosen to leave sleeping dogs lie for fear of getting bit.

But, as I say, people (our people) had gotten so whipped up into a frenzy by the time Obama was inaugurated that they reacted not to what Obama actually did or even said he was going to do. They reacted to the fear born of the experience with Clinton and LBJ, fanned by people like Glenn Beck, and decided to buy everything in sight. My local pusher recently went out and bought a new Hummer. Same thing happened at the time of Brady, except there, the buying spree was a rational response to a real event and a real problem.

Charlie, you don't do your (our) cause any good when you rely on name-calling. Obama is so clearly not any kind of communist or socialist that I know of, that it is just hard to give your argument much credence. It's like someone calling Bush a fascist. It makes no sense in terms of the way American politics work. And what's a "libtard?" If that's a coinage that fuses "liberal" and "retard" then I would have to ask you to refrain to disparaging people with mental retardation. I worked with those folks for years, and as a group they are kinder than people without mental impairments. And by the way, "retarded" ain't the same thing as "stupid."

I'm quite sure that in a different political climate Obama would move more aggressively to impose further restrictions on the RKBA. But, Charlie, the same 60 or so Blue Dog Democrats in the House that Obama needs to retain his majority on health care are simply not going to stand still for a move against gun rights by the Administration. The Obama people are smart. They know this. They are not going to risk a defeat on health care or other big priority issues by poking a stick into the hornet's nest that is the gun rights community. We don't take provocation kindly, and Al Gore and John Kerry stand as testaments to that fact.

You and Steve are actually both right about the economy. In terms of growth in gross domestic product, the economy is better than it was six or nine months ago. But, as many people have observed, this is a "jobless recovery," and focusing on the big banks and corporations and not doing something to directly help working Americans is probably the most bone-headed move the Obama people have made so far. I will tell you this: if there is not some significant improvement in the employment figures by May, the Democrats will get clobbered in the midterm elections in November. Even the loss of one Senate seat will put a major barricade in front of the Obama legislative express. And if, by the late spring or summer of 2012 he cannot demonstrate significant progress on the economy, on health care, in Afghanistan, and on the environment, he will loose his bid for a second term.

That's my analysis. YMMV. But I'll tell you one thing -- with everything he's got riding on getting things done, Obama is not going to shoot himself in the foot by going after your guns, or mine, at least not through 2012.


Bullseye

 

[Gutpile Charlie]

"Charlie, you don't do your (our) cause any good when you rely on name-calling. Obama is so clearly not any kind of communist or socialist that I know of, that it is just hard to give your argument much credence. It's like someone calling Bush a fascist."

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Bullseye, with all due respect, I beg to differ with you.

Yes, Obama is not stupid, but he is hell bent to turn us into a totalitarian socialist society. The writing is on the wall. He's absolutely the worst thing to happen to us.

I don't consider this name calling. It is just calling a spade a spade. Anything else would be disingenuous.

I also don't think he's going after our guns before 2012, however he is putting all his people in place to do this at the first possible moment that he feels that he can get away with it. He will completely destroy us at his first opportunity.

To place any trust what so ever in this guy is pure folly, and again, I've got little respect for those that "defend" him in any way. This is not "politics as usual." He is the biggest danger we have faced. He actively wants to dramatically change our country into something neither one of us would recognize. To not acknowledge this is just being a lamb going peacefully to his slaughter.