Has anyone put a red dot scope (like an UltraDot) on their Model 52? I know you have to use a BME mount and a lighter recoil spring for it. Just wanting to know what you thought of it, how it worked, any problems, etc.
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Has anyone put a red dot scope (like an UltraDot) on their Model 52? I know you have to use a BME mount and a lighter recoil spring for it. Just wanting to know what you thought of it, how it worked, any problems, etc.
smithfan4152
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If you do a search on this forum you will find just that, a model 52-2 using a BME mount with a Ultra Dot LT reflex sight. Just use the link or type in search Model 41 red dot.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5201039...831093472#4831093472
http://smith-wessonforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5201039...831093472#4831093472
Hello smithfan:
I should have been more specific. What I'm wondering about is the tube-style sights in 30mm or 1". I talked to a long-time Ultradot dealer in the East about a reflex sight and he was very negative about them stating that they were difficult to adjust and had difficulty maintaining their adjustment once set. He said that the tube-style has remained very popular with his bullseye customers. BME has two different mounts. One replaces the rear sight. The other fits where the barrel weight is and to remove the slide, you have to remove the sight. I wouldn't be up for that at all. Nonetheless, I was wondering how the mounts have worked for people as well.
TSQUARED
Member
PeterM,
I have installed a Docter redot using the BME mount which replaces the rear sight. Since the Docter optic is very light I have not ad to change recoil springs - it function perfectly with 2.8 gr. Bullseye, Rem 1.5 behind 148 gr. Remingron LHBWC.
Tony
I have installed a Docter redot using the BME mount which replaces the rear sight. Since the Docter optic is very light I have not ad to change recoil springs - it function perfectly with 2.8 gr. Bullseye, Rem 1.5 behind 148 gr. Remingron LHBWC.
Tony
handgunner356
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I've used a Aimtech mount that replaces the right grip panel. Used a Millett Red Dot on it and it worked well. You do have to remove the rear sight though in order to take the slide off. That worked OK for me as I had a slide racker made to fit the rear dovetail. I've tried the screen style optics but they just don't work for me.
mososodbob
Member
I did a bit of research and went with the BME slide mount with an 1" Ultra-dot. Used Weaver rings beause they were strong and light. Had going into battery malfuntions until I replaced with a lighter than factory weight Wolff recoil spring.
My lesson learned: Consider the rail/frame system over the slide mount. I had no functioning issues when I had the scope on a Cal Grip...it just put the sight too high and did not allow me a "proper" grip on the gun...
I assumed you did not want to drill into the gun...
I have comments on another post. Also see BullseyeList for more on this topic. Feel free to contact me off-line for more info and or pics of my set up. And, if interested, my Cal Grip is for sale.
Bob
My lesson learned: Consider the rail/frame system over the slide mount. I had no functioning issues when I had the scope on a Cal Grip...it just put the sight too high and did not allow me a "proper" grip on the gun...
I assumed you did not want to drill into the gun...
I have comments on another post. Also see BullseyeList for more on this topic. Feel free to contact me off-line for more info and or pics of my set up. And, if interested, my Cal Grip is for sale.
Bob
Bob:
I was going to email you but you do not have an email address in your profile. Have you tried the BME frame mount set-up? The information on the website states that the mount has to be removed to take off the slide resulting in re-sighting the gun after every cleaning. That sounds like a royal PITA. And you're right-I wouldn't want to drill the frame for a mount. With the BME slide mount and the lighter spring, have you had consistent return-to-battery performance with the 1" UltraDot?
I was going to email you but you do not have an email address in your profile. Have you tried the BME frame mount set-up? The information on the website states that the mount has to be removed to take off the slide resulting in re-sighting the gun after every cleaning. That sounds like a royal PITA. And you're right-I wouldn't want to drill the frame for a mount. With the BME slide mount and the lighter spring, have you had consistent return-to-battery performance with the 1" UltraDot?
mososodbob
Member
Pete:
BLUF: I had LESS than 100% return-to-battery function once I put the UD onto the slide. (Lack time to rule in/rule out the variables to speak with authority on the cause) You will need to consider compromises with all of the mounting options.
My 52 is a plaything again and I'm using my .45 wad gun for the CF portion of the 2700.
I recommend going to the Bullseye-L forums and do a search for Mod-52 mounts discussions. (google "Bullseye List" for the link) You should see the numerous replies (all very good answers from people with solid experiences) resulting from the question that I had posted. I've included my original question and the reply from John at BME below. (I had edit out some of the personal information because this is a public forum)
I have not tried the BME frame mount. I've discussed that option with several shooters that has one and again...there are compromises you will have to make. I have personal experience with the "Cal-Grip". See my comments below.
Bob
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On 6/7/08 4:00 PM, "bmebca" <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi, the model is a matter of choice. The S&W52RR model can be in place at
all times( including when the slide is removed). The action of the slide is
slowed but from the reports I have received it will cycle a standard target
load reliably. Some people have got to lighter recoil springs Wolff has them on their web page.
The model S&W52BWR will not affect the slide action but must be removed to take the slide off. I can customize the fit of the BWR mount to reduce eliminate any rezeroing. I need a measurement from the bottom of the barrel weight groove to the bottom of the barrel weight groove on the other side of the dust cover. The distance varies from .670 to .690. Use the knife edge part of the caliper to measure. You will go in only 1/4 of an inch.
I am not at my home and office. I do come home Friday afternoons. The 52RR can be shipped anytime. The 52BWR would be shipped on a Saturday if I got the required measurement by Friday afternoon.
To answer question #3, sure you have access to the barrel and breech face.
Sincerely,
John Chernick
Manager, BME Custom Sports Products, LLC
J. Chernick
BME & BCA
PO Box 1079
Intervale, NH 03845-1079
Tel: 603-356-6580
Fax: 603-356-5292
email: [email protected]
> > ----- Original Message -----
From:
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:53 PM
Subject: FW: [Bullseye-L] S&W 52 Scope Mount Needed
Gentlemen,
I saw this posting on Bullseye-L and would be most appreciative if you can give me some feedback based on your experience with mounts for the S&W 52.
I have a Mod 52-2 and would like to have a scope mounted without having to
make permanent alteration to the gun. The BME mounts appears to be the solution. I have tried the frame mounted system which replaces a grip panel and did not like how it altered my grip.
A few questions to start and please indulge in folllow-ups (as I learn more).
1) BME makes two style for the 52; slide mounted and frame mounted. Any advantage of one over the other?
2) If going with the slide mounted version, will a different recoil spring weight be needed (due to the extra weight on the slide)?
3) Can basic maintenance be performed if using the frame mounted version. (not having to disassemble and re-zero) (If bore snake and tooth-brushing the breech face is good enough)
BREAK: Mr. John Chernick
Please jump in with your expertise and availabilities of the mounts. I hope to have the gun set up and ready for Canton and Perry in a few weeks.
Bob
Washington State
BLUF: I had LESS than 100% return-to-battery function once I put the UD onto the slide. (Lack time to rule in/rule out the variables to speak with authority on the cause) You will need to consider compromises with all of the mounting options.
My 52 is a plaything again and I'm using my .45 wad gun for the CF portion of the 2700.
I recommend going to the Bullseye-L forums and do a search for Mod-52 mounts discussions. (google "Bullseye List" for the link) You should see the numerous replies (all very good answers from people with solid experiences) resulting from the question that I had posted. I've included my original question and the reply from John at BME below. (I had edit out some of the personal information because this is a public forum)
I have not tried the BME frame mount. I've discussed that option with several shooters that has one and again...there are compromises you will have to make. I have personal experience with the "Cal-Grip". See my comments below.
Bob
**************
On 6/7/08 4:00 PM, "bmebca" <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi, the model is a matter of choice. The S&W52RR model can be in place at
all times( including when the slide is removed). The action of the slide is
slowed but from the reports I have received it will cycle a standard target
load reliably. Some people have got to lighter recoil springs Wolff has them on their web page.
The model S&W52BWR will not affect the slide action but must be removed to take the slide off. I can customize the fit of the BWR mount to reduce eliminate any rezeroing. I need a measurement from the bottom of the barrel weight groove to the bottom of the barrel weight groove on the other side of the dust cover. The distance varies from .670 to .690. Use the knife edge part of the caliper to measure. You will go in only 1/4 of an inch.
I am not at my home and office. I do come home Friday afternoons. The 52RR can be shipped anytime. The 52BWR would be shipped on a Saturday if I got the required measurement by Friday afternoon.
To answer question #3, sure you have access to the barrel and breech face.
Sincerely,
John Chernick
Manager, BME Custom Sports Products, LLC
J. Chernick
BME & BCA
PO Box 1079
Intervale, NH 03845-1079
Tel: 603-356-6580
Fax: 603-356-5292
email: [email protected]
> > ----- Original Message -----
From:
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 4:53 PM
Subject: FW: [Bullseye-L] S&W 52 Scope Mount Needed
Gentlemen,
I saw this posting on Bullseye-L and would be most appreciative if you can give me some feedback based on your experience with mounts for the S&W 52.
I have a Mod 52-2 and would like to have a scope mounted without having to
make permanent alteration to the gun. The BME mounts appears to be the solution. I have tried the frame mounted system which replaces a grip panel and did not like how it altered my grip.
A few questions to start and please indulge in folllow-ups (as I learn more).
1) BME makes two style for the 52; slide mounted and frame mounted. Any advantage of one over the other?
2) If going with the slide mounted version, will a different recoil spring weight be needed (due to the extra weight on the slide)?
3) Can basic maintenance be performed if using the frame mounted version. (not having to disassemble and re-zero) (If bore snake and tooth-brushing the breech face is good enough)
BREAK: Mr. John Chernick
Please jump in with your expertise and availabilities of the mounts. I hope to have the gun set up and ready for Canton and Perry in a few weeks.
Bob
Washington State
Bob:
Thanks for a very informative reply. I had checked the Bullseye list and had seen one of these posts but must have missed the other.
I'm about a 1000 rounds new to my 52-2. The best I've been able to shoot is about a 1.8" 9 round group (there was a 10th that was a flier, actually). That's two-handed at 20 yds. I KNOW from experience with other pistols that I can shoot better than that with a red dot. Once I move beyond 20 yds, my eyes remind me how old I am.
Like you say, there going to be some compromise here one way or the other. I am already using a barrel weight so losing that for a frame mount will be a consideration. I think once I've maxed out my potential shooting with open sights, I'll have made up my mind which way to go with the red dot.
Thanks again.
Thanks for a very informative reply. I had checked the Bullseye list and had seen one of these posts but must have missed the other.
I'm about a 1000 rounds new to my 52-2. The best I've been able to shoot is about a 1.8" 9 round group (there was a 10th that was a flier, actually). That's two-handed at 20 yds. I KNOW from experience with other pistols that I can shoot better than that with a red dot. Once I move beyond 20 yds, my eyes remind me how old I am.
Like you say, there going to be some compromise here one way or the other. I am already using a barrel weight so losing that for a frame mount will be a consideration. I think once I've maxed out my potential shooting with open sights, I'll have made up my mind which way to go with the red dot.
Thanks again.
