Mosin Nagant - Scope and mount

[gm272gs]

Let me start by telling you that I typically refer to Mosin-Nagant M93s as "Tomato Stakes". What I would normally recommend is that someone buy six of them in the Spring, affix the bayonets, and stick them in their garden, for the tomato plants to climb upon.

With that said, I have a friend who has an M93 and wants to mount a scope on it. He sent me a link to a "kit" at Sportsmansguide (dot com) that has what appears to be a really cheap set of scope rings, an even cheaper "scope", a weaver rail, a rubber butt pad (probably a good thing) and a cheap cotton web sling with "leather" reinforcements on the ends. If you would do me a favor and look at this hot mess, it's dubbed "5 - Pc. AIM Sports® Mosin - Nagant Kit, BIG BUCKS OFF!" and goes for $60 ($53.99 if you're a member of their "Buyer's Club", whatever that is).

It looks like a waste of money to me, but remember that I'm coming from the direction that $80 for a crappy Russian rifle is too much money in the first place. Okay, put down the knives, I know the M93 has a long and distinguished history. I watched Enemy At The Gates. I am well aware of the cult following that these tomato stakes have, I just am not a convert.

Since he asked me for my opinion however, I thought I would ask you guys what you thought was a serviceable scope mount for these things. Is there a mounting system that is okay for these that does NOT require drilling and tapping? I cannot let him buy the hot mess I referred to earlier, because I think the chances of it working are much higher against, than for. I also think that any scope that is cheaper than a scope you'd buy in a blister pack at Wal-Mart, will probably have the glass rattled out on the 3rd round from a 7.62x54Russian.

 

[brucev]

Hum... the M-93 and it's various permutations have been proven exceptionally effective in the crucible of war. Shot out relics will not of course produce best results. But that is true of any shot out relic be it a M-98, 1903, M- Garand, SMLE, etc. In good condition w/ quality ammunition the M-93 is a very effective rifle. Properly set up, it is very accurate. Below are two links to a no drill/tap mount that looks promising. HTH.

Aluminum Mounts / PPS 43 Mount

Mosin Nagant Side Mount

 

[gm272gs]

Yeah, I know. It is proven and all. I really don't mean to tick anyone off. I like to make fun of them. I can't help myself!

Thanks for the links. That's really what I was after. I just don't want to steer this guy the wrong way.

 

[gdnagle]

Now I like to learn things everyday and thought I knew Mosin-Nagant but I've never heard of a M-93 how about a picture or link.

 

[gm272gs]

91/30. I stand corrected!

Look, M93 and 91/30 are similar. It's a Rusky gun okay?

 

[Arik]

Just because the rifle is not expansive doesn't mean a cheap scope is good. People buy a scope set up for $50 and 40 year old ammo and then complain that it doesn't shoot as accurately as a Remington with a Leopold scope and super match hand rolled $2 per round ammo.

The best way to scope a Mosin is the say they originally scoped. Using good ammo also helps. I have a dozen different Mosins and each shoots differently with all the different types of ammo I have. Russian, Bulgarian, Yugoslavian ammo that spans over 60 years. Worst I get is 5 moa with a 1925 MN and 71 Bulgarian ammo. As soon as I get quality brass ammo I can hold 2 moa all day long with any of them.

Garbage in, garbage out. You are correct it's a waste of money aimed at those who think they can be Zaytzev on a budget

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[cowart]

Is there a mounting system that is okay for these that does NOT require drilling and tapping?

Yes - there is a system that replaces the rear sight . You can use it with a scout scope, a "red dot" scope, or a pistol scope. This gives you the option to return to the original configuration if desired.

$2.36 + $4.99 shipping at
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[BigBill]

This Russian mosin nagant rifle is no joke. It's not a *** as some will think. Go to you tube and search for "350 yard shot on a hog with a mosin"
This guy took a losing right out of the box and dropped a hog at 350yds with iron sights no scope.

These rifles during the winter war of 1939 when the Russians invaded Finland. If you search for "Rifles of the White Death" the story will come up how 32 Finnish soldiers held off 4,000 Russian soldiers with the mosin rifles. The Russians retreated with 3,600 soldiers left alive. I think there was five Finnish soldiers left.

In the Backwoods Home Magazine one time they listed some cheap backwoods game getting rifles to put meat on the table. The mosin 91/30 was one of them for living off the land. A 91/30 for under $100, a box of $5 203he Russian barmain so hunting ammo and a hunting license is about as cheap as a game getting rifle as we can get.

The Finnish took the captured Russian Mosin rifles and sent them to there arsenal to be reworked till they shot 1"MOA. These rifles are marked [SA] on the receivers and some stocks have grossed cannon stamps on them.
Some stocks were changed to Finnish stocks. The most world famous Finnish sniper with the highest kill rate prefered his m27 mosin with no scope.

The most accurate Russian mosins were removed from the production line to be scoped for sniper rifles. But many accurate mosins got passed for being picked. There are a lot of very accurate mosins produced in that time. Trust me it's not a garbage rifle.

These Russian Mosin rifles can be found in unissued/unshot condition at very reasonable prices still. The Finnish mosins bring a higher price. It's the ability to own, to touch and shoot a piece of history. That's what it's all about. It's a fun rifle to shoot. Plus its cheap to feed the surplus ammo is still affordable. Trust me if you buy one moanin and shoot it you may get into the surplus military rifles. As everything else it was cheap at one time. But with places like AIM Surplus Home and Welcome to Samco Global Arms, Inc. it's still affordable. If you like guns take the blinders off and look at these old war horses. They have quite a history behind them. Much more than modern guns don't limit yourself.

 

[gm272gs]

Checking back to say that I believe I convinced him to just leave it alone and shoot with irons. That's what the thing was meant for in the first place.

I appreciate the link to the rail for a scout scope setup, though. In the interest of fairness, I'll send that link to him, and let him decide.

 

[BigBill]

The scoped mosins hit $1,000+ at one time like when the enemy at the gates movie came out. I built my own sniper mosin from parts rifle
The prices came down finally it's at samco now. Shoot your buddies rifle there fun to see how accurate we and the rifle can be.

 

[gm272gs]

I have shot them before - and as difficult as it is to believe - I don't want one.

 

[BigBill]

I have most of the models and don't care for the flame throwing shorter barrels. The 91/30, Russian hex, laminated stock or round receivers are the ones to have. The Finnish 91/30 fatty stock and the Finnish m24, M27 & M39 are the ones to look for I prefer the m39 Finn. There is also the Finnish ski troop m28 with the twin slotted sling loop on the butt stock.
It's a very rare one.