Mossberg 590 Shockwave -- Be Careful Out There

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I am posting this as a separate thread because I care about my friends.

I consider Mossberg a great company, and there is a lot of buzz about the Mossberg 590 Shockwave. Even though it fires 12 gauge shells and has a barrel of only 14 inches, because it has an overall length greater than 26" and it was never intended to be shot from the shoulder, there are some who say it is legal without a BATFE tax stamp.

I am no expert. But if it is not a shotgun, then, for precisely that reason, it could be a destructive device.

Therefore, IMHO, until I saw letters from both the BATFE and my state saying the Shockwave was good to go -- I would stay away.

Be careful out there
 
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shell627 said:
Uh you know that Mossberg sends a copy of the letter from ATF with the firearm.It is sort of like the dreaded ar15 pistol armbrace.It has been out for a while and they have not yet started the roundups for the camps.
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I think the letter you refer to is here:

http://www.nfaoa.org/documents/PistolGrippedShotgunLike.pdf

It answers the question of whether a 12 gauge pistol grip firearm that never had a shoulder stock becomes an "Any Other Weapon" when its barrel is cut down to less than 18" but its overall length remains above 26". Unfortunately, it does not address the question of "destructive device" and it does not particularly address the Shockwave, which starts with a 14" barrel.

Personally, I would like to see the Shockwave fully blessed, by name, by both the BATFE and my state.
 
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bushmaster1313 said:
I am posting this as a separate thread because I care about my friends.

I consider Mossberg a great company, and there is a lot of buzz about the Mossberg 590 Shockwave. Even though it fires 12 gauge shells and has a barrel of only 14 inches, because it has an overall length greater than 26" and it was never intended to be shot from the shoulder, there are some who say it is legal without a BATFE tax stamp.

I am no expert. But if it is not a shotgun, then, for precisely that reason, it could be a destructive device.

Therefore, IMHO, until I saw letters from both the BATFE and my state saying the Shockwave was good to go -- I would stay away.

Be careful out there
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And you're basing this on your experience as an attorney? Or maybe a BATFE agent? FFL holder? Or just because it looks pretty scary and couldn't/shouldn't be legal even though the BATFE is letting Mossberg sell them and they come with appropriate documentation to prove they are legal?

Also, this Mossberg isn't the only one of these shorty shotguns being sold, there are other companies making/selling similar guns.
 
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My friend who owns a gun shop spoke to a BATF supervisor and a PA State Police firearms unit trooper regarding the Shockwave. Both assured him the guns are legal and not considered "all other weapons" or "destructive devices". One issue in PA, you still can't carry it loaded in a vehicle or concealed on your person. LTCFs cover handguns only. So, home protection yes, truck gun, no.
 
I had one in my hand and was going to buy it and go home here in PA . This gun is legal as long as you dont change the grip . never had a stock and is over 26 inch I can go one today I think it was 529 . I bought another Sig 320 that day .instead of the Moss .
 
I will worry about it after they are made readily available to us....right now you can't find the dang thing anywhere......I am on so many waiting lists it is just downright silly.......but the moment I get an email that it is in, I am getting it.
 
moralem said:
I will worry about it after they are made readily available to us....right now you can't find the dang thing anywhere......I am on so many waiting lists it is just downright silly.......but the moment I get an email that it is in, I am getting it.
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Muss Muggins said:
They're legal, and quite frankly it appears on much more solid ground than the SIG arm brace, because you actually can shoulder the arm brace, whereas the Shockwave really can't be shouldered. I had a hard time believing they're that cheap when I looked at one a couple weeks ago . . .
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Did you see it in person, and where at?
I'm up for a little road trip. Never been to the MO boot hill yet.
Oh, and what was the asking price?
 
Ozark Marine said:
Did you see it in person, and where at?
I'm up for a little road trip. Never been to the MO boot hill yet.
Oh, and what was the asking price?
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It was not for sale. Big land developer avid gunner brought it into the LGS to show off. If you saw the Greitens campaign commercial where he was firing the mini-gun, this guy helped make the arrangements for access to the mini-gun for filming . . .
 
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I am no expert.
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Neither am I, however I did some very basic research and discovered that it is perfectly legal and not a destructive device.

But if it is not a shotgun, then, for precisely that reason, it could be a destructive device.
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You only recognize those two categories, shotgun and destructive device? It is not a shotgun or destructive device, it is a "firearm".

Does anyone know the dealer pricing one these? My garage FFL sells for dealer +$20, and I think this would be fun to own.

I need to do even more research at the state level to find out if it would be legal to have it loaded in the vehicle. We have an RCW that bars long guns from being loaded in a vehicle (hunters sometimes like to hunt from the windows of their trucks as they drive the logging roads), but I need to see if they anticipated "firearm" vs long gun.
 
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