ParadiseRoad
Member
...them unibrows got REAL tough heads...
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MP5 headshot - that's gonna leave a mark.
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Wheelgunner840
Member
"I shot an arrow into the air. Where it landed....."
S#&t, That's where it went!!!
WG840
S#&t, That's where it went!!!
WG840
I fixed it for you!
29aholic
Member
Originally posted by Wheelgunner840:
He should shave a small fire break between those eyebrows.
Tell me again what caliber the MP5 uses.
I'm just sayin'...
WG840
+1 on this! A good old fashioned 45 woulda done the trick. Yet another reason I dont carry a 9mm
Just today I was thinking about getting a R9 Rohrbaugh (380 sized 9mm). I'm glad I saw this, what was I thinking?
I would expect that from a 25 ACP or a 22 but not a 9 out of a carbine. No 9s for me.
I'm glad he gets to rot in jail but, man!
ElToro
Member
The only 9mm i own is a nice vintage browning high power. I dont shoot it much except when i take wifey or new shooter to the range due to low recoil, nor do i keep it handy for home defense. Now i remember why.
that is one fugly dude.
that is one fugly dude.
beemerrider
Member
I load my MP5 with 30 rounds. Has the ammo shortage put a stress on the Police ammo supply in Akron? 1, 3, or thirty come out the front end of an MP5 really quick; Akron uses too much fire control in my opinion.
Agree w/ concern about number of shots. I have trained some w/ LE w/ MP5. Standard practice seems to be 3 shot bursts to COM, then 2 to head (they have gotten away from the term "double tap," don't know why). But in hostage situations seems to be 2 to head, which is supposed to put the lights out. This seems to be some combination of thick skull, wrong ammo, not enough shots.
Jim Shugart
Member
Hat's off to those cops. They did what they were supposed to do well.
Jack Flash
Member
I agree with Jim, unless I'm missing something.
The situation was successfully resolved with the child safe and sound. One shot incapacitated him and ended the confrontation, didn't it?
Maybe Tice deserves to die for killing his wife, but she wasn't exactly blameless herself. I can understand how something like that could make a guy snap is all I'm saying.
Belfastman
Member
IT'S THOSE EXTRA THICK BUCKEYE HEADS AGAIN
For those who seem concerned about Mr. Tice's welfare, I agree that it is better he was not killed outright especially since he may have been bipolar. Yes, he deserves a trial now that he has survived.
None of us know the exact circumstances under which police felt compelled to shoot him. However, it seems likely that the police intended to kill him, and if that is the case, the gun and ammunition combination failed miserably! Unless the shot was a ricochet or had to penetrate something before hitting Tice I don't see why it didn't kill him outright. I suspect the police are also concerned that when they needed a killing shot their equipment failed to perform.
It turns out that police did fire more than one shot at Tice. The first shot from the MP5 apparently missed. The police resorted to the MP5 only because an officer's AR15 failed to fire!
"A sniper tried to fire his AR-15 assault rifle, but the trigger jammed. A second SWAT sniper twice fired his MP5 assault rifle. One shot missed; another struck Tice's forehead, penetrating to the bone and bouncing off."
Also the police could have used either the .40 or 10mm versions of the MP5, so the 9mm may not have been a part of the problem.
However, this kind of thing isn't unprecedented. A local police SWAT team member was struck several years in about the same place with a shot from an M1 cabine fired from almost point blank range. The shot struck the very edge of a ballistic shield the officer was holding. The officer had bullet fragments embed in his head and had to retire, but like Tice, he is alive.
More information:
http://www.thesuburbanite.com/...and-killing-his-wife
http://www.cleveland.com/plain...986157950.xml&coll=2
None of us know the exact circumstances under which police felt compelled to shoot him. However, it seems likely that the police intended to kill him, and if that is the case, the gun and ammunition combination failed miserably! Unless the shot was a ricochet or had to penetrate something before hitting Tice I don't see why it didn't kill him outright. I suspect the police are also concerned that when they needed a killing shot their equipment failed to perform.
It turns out that police did fire more than one shot at Tice. The first shot from the MP5 apparently missed. The police resorted to the MP5 only because an officer's AR15 failed to fire!
"A sniper tried to fire his AR-15 assault rifle, but the trigger jammed. A second SWAT sniper twice fired his MP5 assault rifle. One shot missed; another struck Tice's forehead, penetrating to the bone and bouncing off."
Also the police could have used either the .40 or 10mm versions of the MP5, so the 9mm may not have been a part of the problem.
However, this kind of thing isn't unprecedented. A local police SWAT team member was struck several years in about the same place with a shot from an M1 cabine fired from almost point blank range. The shot struck the very edge of a ballistic shield the officer was holding. The officer had bullet fragments embed in his head and had to retire, but like Tice, he is alive.
More information:
http://www.thesuburbanite.com/...and-killing-his-wife
http://www.cleveland.com/plain...986157950.xml&coll=2
G
Guest
The MP5 also comes in the "K" version which is in .380 and this might also been the cartridge used and the amount of penetration would have been even less than that of a 9mm Luger round.
Also, the one thing about gun shot wounds that is an "absolute" - ALL of them are different!!!
Also, the one thing about gun shot wounds that is an "absolute" - ALL of them are different!!!
Marc1911
Member
MP5 K is only available in 9mm. You might be confusing the nomenclature of calling the 380 "9mm kurz", but HK doesn't make this in anything less than 9mm.
I seem to remember that one...
I shot an arrow into the air,
It came to earth, I know not where.
Until the next day with rage profound,
The man it fell on came around.
In less time than it takes to tell,
He showed me where my arrow fell.
Now I do not greatly care,
To shoot more arrows into the air.
I shot an arrow into the air,
It came to earth, I know not where.
Until the next day with rage profound,
The man it fell on came around.
In less time than it takes to tell,
He showed me where my arrow fell.
Now I do not greatly care,
To shoot more arrows into the air.
marine2541
Member
Hey! The Lions could use a cement-head like that at offensive tackle!
marine2541
Member
You know,I after I read the whole article, I felt sorry for the guy. His brother and wife betrayed him, and then she asks for a divorce. He snapped! It isn't an excuse, but I have to admit, in my life there are times I could have taken the dark road. I thank God I didn't.
The MP5K is NOT a .380 it is 9mm.
If I were to guess why a 9mm performed so poorly against this individual, I would have to guess the shooter was using a MP5SD, which has a ported barrel so 115 and 124 gr. pill will stay subsonic. Shooting 147 gr. bullets through a SD gives some pretty anemic velocities.
Landpimp
Member
100% correct, only 380 HK ever made was the HK4 pistol
crofoot629
Absent Comrade
I would disagree, he didn't "snap". He murdered his wife and held his kid hostage. People don't snap.
Emory
