My First Revolver - 1947 S&W K-22 Masterpiece "One-Liner"

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Had you asked me last week if I had any plans to ever purchase a revolver, yet alone a vintage one, I would have confidently said no. I started with a polymer semi-auto (XDm), then switched to all steel (CZ 75 Shadow SA with Kadet .22 conversion kit), and finally upgraded to a 1911 (Dan Wesson PM-9 with a Nighthawk .22 conversion).

Last saturday I found myself at my somewhat local gun shop starting DROS paperwork, and my 10 day wait (CA law), on a brand new Ruger 10/22 Takedown that I had ordered on their website. I arrived 10 minutes after they opened and it already ended up being a 30 minute wait. That gave me time to check out a curious little guy in the counter. A 10 shot, 4", stainless steel, revolver. I soon found out it was a S&W 617. I was REALLY tempted to add it to my 4473 form. Felt great in my hand, I loved the frame size, but the cylinder had a fair bit of end shake and even more rotational play.

I soon discovered that S&W made an engineering tolerance adjustment in the late 80's / early 90's. As I understand it, the rotational play helped account for less than stellar timing (less hand fitting) and allowed the firing of a round to properly align the cylinder to the barrel. This brought the Model 17 onto my radar; as all comments about the 617 eventually ended up referring to the Model 17 as even better. Inevitably, my research started turning up the phrase "pre-17" and that's when I landed on the K-22. It was Sunday afternoon by this point and I knew I had to have one.

By Monday afternoon I had located what I felt was a pretty great K-22 specimen. Ideally, I would have liked to get a "transitional" post war K-22, but the options weren't that great. Mostly, they were vastly overpriced for guns that looked like they had seen much better days.

I just got back from the gun shop. I've got 10 days before I can shoot this beauty. It felt like a solid chunk of steel. Rather astonishing when compared to the XDM and CZ that I got used to (all in the same price range).

So here she is, an all original 1947 "one-liner", K114XX, with the serial stamped on the extractor star underside, cylinder rear, barrel underside, frame butt, and the inside of the grips. Unfortunately, no paperwork, box, or tools (trying to locate that stuff now).

Proper pictures to follow after I pick her up and thoroughly clean, lube and polish with Renaissance Wax.

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Final picture from post #27

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Nice, congrats.......enjoy....

But beware, this is how I started out a few years back too with a s&w k22 too. Now it's "7" yup seven s&w's later and I'm still looking. Once I seen how smooth and awesome the action felt I purchased a s&w k38 combat masterpiece and a s&w k38 target masterpiece both in 38 special. I think I have the top three s&w revolvers of this era. Then the N Frame flu started up. Just be ready for it when it starts up. The Smith and Wesson story on the history channel started it all. I/we have a chance to own, to touch and shoot a piece of Smith & Wesson history from the middle of the last century. I got old so fast.......Bill

But these older smith & Wesson actions are so smooth.
 
CONGRATS!!! If you decide to put a target hammer in, I have one. Also Stag or Ivory Stocks. I was curious to know the S#--mine is K1091 :)
Her stocks are Ivory and the originals rest in her box. :)

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Thanks for the heads up on the stocks / hammer. What is the rule with swapping out hammers / triggers on these types of actions? I'm very comfortable with complete detail strips of all my previous weapons, but I have a feeling this is more like opening up a clock. Gunsmith only work that has to be fitted / tuned OR "drop-in" with fitting that doesn't touch the critical engagement areas?

BTW, that's a beautiful transitional model!

Really nice find and purchase. Looks great.

Thanks!

That will be your favorite gun. Just give it time.

The guys at the shop were pretty shocked on how new it looked. I can't wait to shoot it.

Nice, congrats.......enjoy....

But beware, this is how I started out a few years back too with a s&w k22 too. Now it's "7" yup seven s&w's later and I'm still looking. Once I seen how smooth and awesome the action felt I purchased a s&w k38 combat masterpiece and a s&w k38 target masterpiece both in 38 special. I think I have the top three s&w revolvers of this era. Then the N Frame flu started up. Just be ready for it when it starts up. The Smith and Wesson story on the history channel started it all. I/we have a chance to own, to touch and shoot a piece of Smith & Wesson history from the middle of the last century. I got old so fast.......Bill

But these older smith & Wesson actions are so smooth.

Thanks for the warning! I fear it may already be too late. The thought has already occurred that if this .22 double action is so highly regarded, then the other calibers from that era must be great as well. I've been thinking about a .357 but the "Registered Magnum" price tags had me cringing.
 
Very nice, you will love it, I have one from 1950 with original box and accessories, It was the second vintage Smith that I purchased and it is a fantastic gun, my wife likes it better than any I own....
 
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Congrats on that Beautiful K-22 one-liner.
Be careful. The slick actions and triggers combined with
the accuracy and level of fun means you'll be wanting
more than one. I am at three right now, 2 one-liners
and a late 1948 gun. All are outstanding shooters.


Chuck
 
Welcome to the forum and congratulations on acquiring a fine revolver. It seems you already have a notion that it won't be your last S&W. Whether you focus on .22 revolvers or expand into the other calibers available in the Masterpiece series (.38 will be easy, .32 a little more difficult and WAY more expensive), you have some fine collecting and even better shooting ahead of you.

Nice photos. Keep posting pics of the new ones as they come your way. :D
 
Alex:

Welcome to the forum and welcome to the disease known as S&W. To make our meeting here official... "Hello. My name is Richard and I am a Smithaholic..." :)

You may see this forum as a friendly place where you can find great information and helpful advice from people who know, BUT BEWARE of the dark underside of the forum, where danger lurks in every corner.;) These guys and gals will introduce you to S&W delicacies that you never knew existed, and then all of the sudden you will find yourself waking up in the middle of the night, in a cold sweat, knowing that you have to have one (or two , or three...) for yourself... It never ends...:rolleyes:

On the bright side - Great Gun! Too bad that you have to wait to take it home. Waiting is hard... It is much easier here in the state just to the east of you.

Oh yeah - Thanks for sharing,
 
Nice entrance and welcome. My one liner shoots great with just abt any ammo. It makes me look like I know how to shoot. A good second gun would be something out of the 50's in 357. Some of the pre-war guns like the 22 Outdoorsman is assembled when people cared abt what they did. Have fun and let us know how it shoots, Larry
 
I don't know. If I were you I'd dump that ancient piece of iron. Its so old it probably won't shoot. Get out now before you take an even worse beating. :D
 
Thanks for the heads up on the stocks / hammer. What is the rule with swapping out hammers / triggers on these types of actions? I'm very comfortable with complete detail strips of all my previous weapons, but I have a feeling this is more like opening up a clock. Gunsmith only work that has to be fitted / tuned OR "drop-in" with fitting that doesn't touch the critical engagement areas?

BTW, that's a beautiful transitional model!



Thanks!



The guys at the shop were pretty shocked on how new it looked. I can't wait to shoot it.



Thanks for the warning! I fear it may already be too late. The thought has already occurred that if this .22 double action is so highly regarded, then the other calibers from that era must be great as well. I've been thinking about a .357 but the "Registered Magnum" price tags had me cringing.

Really not much to it. Old one out, new one in. Have done several. I believe there was a time they could be ordered with the Target hammer. Now THOSE were the days. :)
 
Alex,

You have made a very fine entry into the world of wheelguns and a stellar entry onto these forums. Welcome aboard and congratulations!

Warning: this will not be your last!
 
Welcome to the forum! Great looking gun. You now have the disease. I don't know if anyone has advised you on dry-fireing a 22 revolver or not. If you do make sure you have the 22 snap caps. Don't do it without them. Good idea about the renasance wax.
 
That is a beautiful gun and a great find, especially here in CA. Older S&W's for sale are becoming more and more scarce daily here due to the draconian gun laws. My personal opinion is that the early post-war guns up to about 1960 were some of S&W's best. Most were made with new equipment and tooling and they still had skilled fitters, polishers and assemblers. When you find a 50 or 65 year old gun like that in nice condition and compare it to a modern "black gun", you will see that there is no comparison. The newer guns have no soul, they are simply "tools".
 
The value's of the older S&W's (and most guns) are in the "original" configuration. The hook is set and the vintage S&W's will reel you in now. From a 686 for PPC competition in the 80's to over 40 revolvers now, with half of them dating to before WWII, and I am still looking. The K22's are my favorites, with a 17-4, a K22 Outdoorsman, a 63 and a 617. You will love yours.
 
Very nice, you will love it, I have one from 1950 with original box and accessories, It was the second vintage Smith that I purchased and it is a fantastic gun, my wife likes it better than any I own....

I think this will be my go-to teaching pistol from now on. A lot of my female friends have had issue with 9mm recoil. The .22 conversion kit i've got helps with the 1911, but it can't compare to the solid heft of this piece. As long as they can comfortably hold it on target, I don't think recoil will be an issue.

Alex,

Your 1st Smith is certainly a winner! It actually has the proper period "target" hammer for it's vintage. I wouldn't rush into wanting to change it for a later model target hammer that's incorrect vintage for your gun.

Here's some videos for stripping:
SMITH & WESSON REVOLVER PART 1 - YouTube
SMITH & WESSON MODEL 10 SERVICE REVOLVER PART 1 - YouTube

SMITH & WESSON PART 2 - YouTube
SMITH & WESSON MODEL 10 PART 2 - YouTube

Thanks for the links!

Congrats on that Beautiful K-22 one-liner.
Be careful. The slick actions and triggers combined with
the accuracy and level of fun means you'll be wanting
more than one. I am at three right now, 2 one-liners
and a late 1948 gun. All are outstanding shooters.


Chuck

Beautiful pistols! If only I knew what I was getting myself into...

Welcome to the forum, Alex. I agree with the suggestions for finding a K-38 as a companion to the K-22. They are superb.

Starting to look like .38 / .357 will the next caliber. I like the choice .357 gives me.

Welcome to the forum and congratulations on acquiring a fine revolver. It seems you already have a notion that it won't be your last S&W. Whether you focus on .22 revolvers or expand into the other calibers available in the Masterpiece series (.38 will be easy, .32 a little more difficult and WAY more expensive), you have some fine collecting and even better shooting ahead of you.

Nice photos. Keep posting pics of the new ones as they come your way. :D

Thanks again. I have a feeling .32 is going to the back of the list. I like what I've researched about .38, and the option for .357 would be great with the right model.

Alex:

Welcome to the forum and welcome to the disease known as S&W. To make our meeting here official... "Hello. My name is Richard and I am a Smithaholic..." :)

You may see this forum as a friendly place where you can find great information and helpful advice from people who know, BUT BEWARE of the dark underside of the forum, where danger lurks in every corner.;) These guys and gals will introduce you to S&W delicacies that you never knew existed, and then all of the sudden you will find yourself waking up in the middle of the night, in a cold sweat, knowing that you have to have one (or two , or three...) for yourself... It never ends...:rolleyes:

On the bright side - Great Gun! Too bad that you have to wait to take it home. Waiting is hard... It is much easier here in the state just to the east of you.

Oh yeah - Thanks for sharing,

The wait is a killer. I have friends who can have pistols shipped to their door. A baffling thought for a CA resident.

Thanks for the welcome though. I'm really appreciating all the advice I've been picking up.

Nice entrance and welcome. My one liner shoots great with just abt any ammo. It makes me look like I know how to shoot. A good second gun would be something out of the 50's in 357. Some of the pre-war guns like the 22 Outdoorsman is assembled when people cared abt what they did. Have fun and let us know how it shoots, Larry

I really like the idea of a .357 from the post war period.

Instead of cringing over the price of a RM, you might concider a nice pre-27 or an early Highway Patrolman. Both fine N-Frames.

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll add those models to my research. A registered magnum certainly isn't within my realm of possibility right now.


Really not much to it. Old one out, new one in. Have done several. I believe there was a time they could be ordered with the Target hammer. Now THOSE were the days. :)

Thanks for the info. I ordered a NOS (new, old stock) fish hook hammer and trigger, in the standard configuration for 1947. I'm a sucker for redundancy.

Is there any rule about having the original factory hammer and trigger vs NOS replacements? Would that lower / increase the value if put on the pistol?

Alex,

You have made a very fine entry into the world of wheelguns and a stellar entry onto these forums. Welcome aboard and congratulations!

Warning: this will not be your last!

Thanks again! Although, I feel I should have read more of these warnings before. Too late now!

Welcome to the forum! Great looking gun. You now have the disease. I don't know if anyone has advised you on dry-fireing a 22 revolver or not. If you do make sure you have the 22 snap caps. Don't do it without them. Good idea about the renasance wax.

Thanks for the warning. I was careful to find a cylinder that wasn't molested by dry firing. I'll be sure to locate some .22 snap caps.

That is a beautiful gun and a great find, especially here in CA. Older S&W's for sale are becoming more and more scarce daily here due to the draconian gun laws. My personal opinion is that the early post-war guns up to about 1960 were some of S&W's best. Most were made with new equipment and tooling and they still had skilled fitters, polishers and assemblers. When you find a 50 or 65 year old gun like that in nice condition and compare it to a modern "black gun", you will see that there is no comparison. The newer guns have no soul, they are simply "tools".

It really is a rarity in CA. I'm glad I was able to find the right seller, on the opposite shore, who would ship it to my FFL.

I'm still floored by the fitting. I can't figure out how they did the side plate. Nearly seamless. The tolerances are baffling.

The value's of the older S&W's (and most guns) are in the "original" configuration. The hook is set and the vintage S&W's will reel you in now. From a 686 for PPC competition in the 80's to over 40 revolvers now, with half of them dating to before WWII, and I am still looking. The K22's are my favorites, with a 17-4, a K22 Outdoorsman, a 63 and a 617. You will love yours.

Wow, sounds like quite a remarkable collection. I'm starting to see a clear trend among S&W lovers. These are mechanical works of art in addition to being pieces of history. The fact that they are a blast to shoot is a dangerously addictive combination!

One more week until I get my first taste...
 
Thanks for the info. I ordered a NOS (new, old stock) fish hook hammer and trigger, in the standard configuration for 1947. I'm a sucker for redundancy.

Is there any rule about having the original factory hammer and trigger vs NOS replacements? Would that lower / increase the value if put on the pistol?
Alex,

The hammer that your gun came with is the correct standard configuration hammer for all K22s from 1946 (1st production after the war) up to about the mid '50s. The official factory term is "Target Speed Hammer" aka the 'fish hook target' by collectors. And so is the trigger.
If by "NOS (new, old stock) fish hook hammer and trigger, in the standard configuration for 1947" you mean the narrow "Speed Hammer" aka 'fish hook', it only came on fixed sighted guns like this:
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Having the narrow Speed Hammer in your gun would absolutely adversely affect it's value.

I hope that clarifies the hammers for you.
 
Alex,

The hammer that your gun came with is the correct standard configuration hammer for all K22s from 1946 (1st production after the war) up to about the mid '50s. The official factory term is "Target Speed Hammer" aka the 'fish hook target' by collectors. And so is the trigger.
If by "NOS (new, old stock) fish hook hammer and trigger, in the standard configuration for 1947" you mean the narrow "Speed Hammer" aka 'fish hook', it only came on fixed sighted guns like this:
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Having the narrow Speed Hammer in your gun would absolutely adversely affect it's value.

I hope that clarifies the hammers for you.

Thanks a lot for the clarification. I was confusing the "Target Speed Hammer" with the .500 wide "Target Hammer" that I was seeing on later K-22s. I thought the standard .375" wide hammer was the fish hook. The replacement hammer I ordered is indeed the "Target Speed Hammer".

So .265" wide is the "fish hook" or "speed hammer", .375" wide is the "target speed hammer", and .500" wide is the "target hammer" from later era k-22s?

If so, how would replacing the current hammer with an exact replacement (except in much better condition on account of never being used and having much richer color case hardening) affect the value?
 
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Thanks a lot for the clarification. I was confusing the "Target Speed Hammer" with the .500 wide "Target Hammer" that I was seeing on later K-22s. I thought the standard .375" wide hammer was the fish hook. The replacement hammer I ordered is indeed the "Target Speed Hammer".

So .265" wide is the "fish hook" or "speed hammer", .375" wide is the "target speed hammer", and .500" wide is the "target hammer" from later era k-22s?

If so, how would replacing the current hammer with an exact replacement (except in much better condition on account of never being used and having much richer color case hardening) affect the value?

Yes, that's correct.

What's in there now looks awfully good. I see no negative affect on value; certainly an improvement and increase in value as much as the parts cost. It's not a serial numbered part and more like maintenance just as if you had replaced a malfunctioning part. Other opinions may differ.
 
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My K-22 is finally home! I had the chance to piece together a kit while I was waiting for the 10 days to pass.

To my surprise, shooting with these grips is profoundly uncomfortable. Coming from CZ / 1911 world, the ergos of the magna grips make me feel as if I'm contorting my fingers. I'd like the trigger to be forward about an inch from where it is!

That said, I ordered some Pachmayr Gripper grips. Not pretty, but it'll allow me to save the original grips in the box and use something that I hope is A LOT more comfortable. It was so uncomfortable that I actually shot better with my left hand... This was a huge surprise to say the least.

Here's a picture of the final kit. If you had stepped into a store in 1947 to buy this gun, the box and screwdriver should be period correct. Additionally, in 1946 Winchester switched to the new box design for "Leader" ammo. This should appear exactly as if it were 1947. I have an original "helpful hints" booklet on its way.

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Grip position is a funny thing. Once you get used to shooting a particular class or brand of gun, others can feel incorrect or at least peculiar. The first double-action Colt I bought I couldn't figure out what to do with my passive fingers. They didn't seem to fall to rest in a reasonable position.

One of the things you might try on your gun would be a T-grip adapter. These push the three gripping fingers of your hand further forward and give your forefinger a better position on the trigger. Pachmayrs have some extra rubber in front of the forestrap, so they do pretty much the same thing. If you have a chance, look for some K-frame diamond target stocks. These became available in 1950, and a lot of Masterpiece owners bought some to improve (or at least change) the way they held their guns.
 
My K-22 is finally home! I had the chance to piece together a kit while I was waiting for the 10 days to pass.

To my surprise, shooting with these grips is profoundly uncomfortable. Coming from CZ / 1911 world, the ergos of the magna grips make me feel as if I'm contorting my fingers. I'd like the trigger to be forward about an inch from where it is!

That said, I ordered some Pachmayr Gripper grips. Not pretty, but it'll allow me to save the original grips in the box and use something that I hope is A LOT more comfortable. It was so uncomfortable that I actually shot better with my left hand... This was a huge surprise to say the least.

Here's a picture of the final kit. If you had stepped into a store in 1947 to buy this gun, the box and screwdriver should be period correct. Additionally, in 1946 Winchester switched to the new box design for "Leader" ammo. This should appear exactly as if it were 1947. I have an original "helpful hints" booklet on its way.

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Beautiful K-22 - congratulations! A 27-2 was my "gateway drug" into S&W P&R revolvers but my all-around favorite is the K-22. Careful- they are addicting as you have already been warned! I have an older brother to yours from 1946 that I rescued from a pawn shop for a song. It's cosmetically challenged but a fantastic shooter.



I have the diamond magnas that serial to the gun (they look pretty rough too) but found the Herrett's Shooting Star K frame grips in a bin of used grips at a LGS and refinished them. I have $5 invested in these and find they are very comfortable for shooting.

My other K-22 is a four-liner from around 1956 (if I remember correctly). This one is on the opposite end of the condition scale and very mint. These target stocks are supremely comfortable and while they are not "correct" for your one-liner they would look and feel great nonetheless.



The Pachmayr grips are a form follows function decision but if you can find a nice set of wood stocks you might get the best of both. If any LGS in your area have bins of old grips it can be worth the trouble to rummage around in them and see what you can find. You never know what bargains might be lying there.

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