My K-.218 Bee project

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So another "just because I wanted one" gun.
Pre Model 15 frame. British proofed new .22 barrel intended for the many Victory conversions.
Frame contoured to resemble pre war K22.
K22-40 rear sight.
Gunsmith made front sight.
I'll probably rust blue it once I fine tune everything.
It shoots great but it's LOUD!
Enjoy.
 

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So another "just because I wanted one" gun.
Pre Model 15 frame. British proofed new .22 barrel intended for the many Victory conversions.
Frame contoured to resemble pre war K22.
K22-40 rear sight.
Gunsmith made front sight.
I'll probably rust blue it once I fine tune everything.
It shoots great but it's LOUD!
Enjoy.

I'd love to see some pics of the before (in the white) and after, in regard to the rust bluing!

Jim
 
OAL?

How did you address the OAL of your loaded round? SAAMI says, 218 Bee=1.680 OAL and the cylinder is 1.62. What weight bullet did you use?
Have you run any rounds over a chrono? Nosey people want to know! ? ! ?
jcelect
 
That's why I described it as a "shortened 218 BEE". I call it a 218 BEE Short or .22/20 WCF.

The 25-20 case is the parent case for the 218 BEE (the shoulder was just extended for the 218) and they are the same overall length. The 218 BEE and 25/20 will easily fit six in a single six cyl., just a bit too long as you noted.

So that I wouldn't have to relocate the shoulder lower on the 218 BEE cases, I started with 25-20 cases because of the lower shoulder location and hence a longer neck. Resized the neck first to .22 with a standard .218 Bee resizer die. Then shortened the neck .040" less than the factory 218 Bee/25-20 case of 1.345”. And use the .218 seating die shortened .040" at the mouth to seat bullets. As I recall I finalized with a 40 grain blunt nosed bullet. The spear points were too long and not needed for revolver ranges anyway. I don't have a chronograph and haven't had the chance to test it yet.
 
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How did you address the OAL of your loaded round? SAAMI says, 218 Bee=1.680 OAL and the cylinder is 1.62. What weight bullet did you use?
Have you run any rounds over a chrono? Nosey people want to know! ? ! ?
jcelect

I'm shooting Hornady Custom factory loads so far. .45 gr JHP.
They just do clear. I haven't reloaded any yet but I have dies and similar bullets.

No I didn't think to take my chrono with me. Next time.
 
Thanks!

Chris & JIm
Thanks for the replies! I just had Andy Horvath(Ohio) build a K - Chucker on a 17-6 8 3/8" full under lug. I would like to compare it with your "218 Short Bee". I'm still working on a good load for it but it appears it likes the lighter bullets. 35 gr Hornady V-Max looks pretty good so far!
jcelect
 
No backup

No "bottleneck revolver backup syndrome?"



I bet. I recall an old article in Handloader magazine about a .25 Hornet conversion that said the same thing.

It's a warm round so extraction was a little snug but no issues with them moving rearward. I didn't take any special cleaning steps and I put 25 rounds through it. It's a much milder bottleneck shape than a .22 Jet or even the .22 Hornet.

Since the cylinder is from a Model 17, the cartridge heads are recessed. They remained flush prior to extraction.
 
No "bottleneck revolver backup syndrome?"

Same question. Cylinder rotation not impaired after the first couple shots?

My experience is the same as Chris. No case setback in my conversion either.

The reason is as Chris posted, the set back is due to the long taper of the .22 Remington Jet and other similar cartridges case taper.

Case set-back history:

The Ackley Improved cartridges used a simple concept; reduce the angle of the case by squaring the shoulder to increase powder capacity. However, besides improved performance, as indicated from improved rifle cartridges, was the lower back pressure result. Therefore sharp shouldered cartridges also prevent case set-back in revolvers.

For example; the cartridge most infamous for locking up cyls due to case set-back was, as referenced, the .22 Remington Jet with its long tapered shoulder. The case set-back along with performance that didn't meet manufacturers claims, and a few non-cartridge related factors, ultimately led to its early demise.

The resolution was simple, a non-tapered square shoulder ala the .256 Win Mag. The first was the Super Jet, by Dan Cotterman, which used the Ackley principle to improve the cartridge which it did, and had the added advantage of solving the set-back problem in the Model 53 S&W revolvers. Later versions like Ackley's Improved and the .22 Sabre Cat by Helbig soon followed. Albeit too late to save a good cartridge and a great S&W revolver. The public had soured on the cartridge and no manufacturers were interested in making guns for any of the new faultless versions, i.e., wildcats.

So what does this have to do with the .22-20 in revolvers? Minimum reamed chamber taper and proper full resizing of the case shoulders has given case set-back free .22-20 shooting in my Ruger.
 
My .218 Bee is a Winchester Model 43 bolt action rifle with 24" barrel. The "crack" produced when the trigger is pulled is sufficient to cause pain without good hearing protection, so I'm sure your revolver will be quite the attention-getter at every range visit!

Interesting project. Looks like an excellent piece of workmanship.
 
I don't have Center fire 22 revolvers. I do have Center Fire 22 10" Contenders and Rifles. H-4227 (IMR 4227 also) Has been the best powder I've found in 10 to 26" barrels. I load for 22 Hornet, 218 Bee, & 221 Fireball, Every time I buy a new cartridge in this size group I Try lots of different powders, and keep coming back to 4227!

Ivan
 

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