Bought the 617 from someone who ordered two, then decided they didn't want them. The 19-5 is from a Sheriff sale and I'm very happy with it. Only problems are the lack of the factory grips, and finish pitting on the backstrap from sweaty hands. Not that bad. I was very happy to get the gun for about $390 OTD. S&W revolvers are usually scarce, and high in my area or Arkansas for some reason.