My new glove-box gun...???

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I have a S&W 10-5 with a 2" (actually it measures 1 15/16"), round butt, original wood grips, fixed sights, pinned barrel (although the cylinder is NOT recessed), nickle plated revolver. It is fairly worn superficially but the gun is as tight as new and it's very apparent that it has been fired very little in it's days....just handled a lot. The bore is nice and shiny with sharp lands/groove edges but it has some surface pitting scattered around...although very light (not deep at all)...but still plentiful, and also the nickle finish is getting pretty yellowed. I'd rate it probably in the 80% condition range...although that's entirely subjective in itself. The serial number is C851xxx and inside the crane it says 65548 and a V then X then K. I assume the K means K frame and I know the V is on lots of Smith & Wesson revolvers...often on the back of the cylinder. I'm wondering if anyone can give me some info on this gun and help me figure out what year it was made and if it's anything special...or just a work horse, shooter. Also, what do the V, X, and K and other number inside the crane mean? Due to the sub-par cosmetic condition, I am thinking of making it my car gun (to leave in the glove box). It seems to be the perfect type of gun for that use and I've been trying to figure out which of my collection should play that role. I chose this due to the 2" bbl and overall condition. It probably isn't much of a collector, but who knows...that's why I'm asking you guys. Any help would be much appreciated!

--idaho
 
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I have a S&W 10-5 with a 2" (actually it measures 1 15/16"), round butt, original wood grips, fixed sights, pinned barrel (although the cylinder is NOT recessed), nickle plated revolver. It is fairly worn superficially but the gun is as tight as new and it's very apparent that it has been fired very little in it's days....just handled a lot. The bore is nice and shiny with sharp lands/groove edges but it has some surface pitting scattered around...although very light (not deep at all)...but still plentiful, and also the nickle finish is getting pretty yellowed. I'd rate it probably in the 80% condition range...although that's entirely subjective in itself. The serial number is C851xxx and inside the crane it says 65548 and a V then X then K. I assume the K means K frame and I know the V is on lots of Smith & Wesson revolvers...often on the back of the cylinder. I'm wondering if anyone can give me some info on this gun and help me figure out what year it was made and if it's anything special...or just a work horse, shooter. Also, what do the V, X, and K and other number inside the crane mean? Due to the sub-par cosmetic condition, I am thinking of making it my car gun (to leave in the glove box). It seems to be the perfect type of gun for that use and I've been trying to figure out which of my collection should play that role. I chose this due to the 2" bbl and overall condition. It probably isn't much of a collector, but who knows...that's why I'm asking you guys. Any help would be much appreciated!

--idaho
 
I wouldn't leave anything that good in my glovebox unattended. In fact I don't carry a gun in the glovebox.

Too hard to get to if you need it. Too easy to have stolen, too.

If you are compelled to put a gun in the glovebox, use a crappier gun, like a Lorcin. And sell me the snubby Model 10.
 
Sounds good until you actually have to rely on it to save your life or those of your family. I'd rather trust my life to something of quality that I know would work if called upon, instead of gamble that security just for the sake of leaving a gun worth $100 less in my car incase of theft, etc. I think that extra $100 worth of liability left in my car's glove box is worth it for the extra reliability factor it provides me and my family. No kids ever have access to my car and my wife has her own car that she drives. I always lock my doors and on the off chance that she does drive my car, I always remove the car-gun since she doesn't have a CC license. This is to keep her out of trouble incase she got pulled over or something, etc. I haven't yet been able to convince her to get one. Thanks for the aprox. date of mfg Landpimp! Anyone know what the rest of the numbers and markings mean?
 
You didn't mention just which State you're in and you might want to check into the local Laws. At least, here in the State of WA you must "Keep the firearm under your direct control at all times." So unless you can reach your glove box without moving from a "Normal" position behind the wheel of your car you aren't complying with the CPL Laws. Also, several States have Liability Laws that make leaving an 'unattended' firearm in a vehicle pretty much of an Ah Sh*t situation. If your gun and/or your vehicle should be stolen. Here, a firearm stolen from a vehicle and used in a crime can leave the original owner of the gun Liable for damages, at least, partly. The Partly can be upward of 50% or more.

Our CPL laws are pretty specific about you being Licensed to "Carry" and not leave it in your vehicle.

I personally, can't recommend any 'Glove Box' or 'Under the Seat' guns but if I'm going to be "Carrying" I do carry something I can rely on and not one of the Cheapo pieces of junk that might or might not work when I need it. I may own a few guns that aren't 100% reliable but I don't carry these for any type of 'Protection' or for that matter 'Match' purposes.

I know when and how I can legally use my sidearm and while the Police may take it as evidence I feel sure that I'll get it back in the end. I also don't leave mine laying around in my vehicle.
 
Yeah, what KKG said. Cars get broken into every day in this world; it's happened to me, and I live in a low-crime area. The only thing they stole was the stereo, but they did bash into the locked glovebox which, fortunately, did not contain a gun....

You might consider one of those crossdraw holsters that some makers sell for use while seated in a car.

Your Model 10 sounds like a keeper, congrats! If it were mine, I'd fit it with a Tyler T grip and load it with something from Buffalo Bore.
 
I was joking about the Lorcin.

My vehicles have been burglarized more than once as well. Even with no valuables visible from the outside, in "nice areas". I won't leave any gun in my vehicle because of this. Even if you don't mind the loss of your Model 10, think about having your gun used to commit a crime, perhaps against you, if the thief chooses to hang around and wait for a victim.
 
Originally posted by idaho:
Sounds good until you actually have to rely on it to save your life or those of your family. I'd rather trust my life to something of quality that I know would work if called upon, instead of gamble that security just for the sake of leaving a gun worth $100 less in my car incase of theft, etc. I think that extra $100 worth of liability left in my car's glove box is worth it for the extra reliability factor it provides me and my family. No kids ever have access to my car and my wife has her own car that she drives. I always lock my doors and on the off chance that she does drive my car, I always remove the car-gun since she doesn't have a CC license. This is to keep her out of trouble incase she got pulled over or something, etc. I haven't yet been able to convince her to get one. Thanks for the aprox. date of mfg Landpimp! Anyone know what the rest of the numbers and markings mean?
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Have you considered the liability of the gun being stolen, and later used in the commision of a crime? Even if you are never held civilly liable, I know I would feel horrible knowing I helped to facilitate someone being victimized, and yet another black eye put on the face of responsible gun owners. Seriously, how hard is it to simply take it in and out of the car every day?
 
My sign in name "idaho" pretty much gives away what state I'm in.

I just attended a CC class with a brother-in-law that just got his CC lic. and the policeman that was conducting the class said that he routinly keeps a few guns in his personal car....and leaves them there full time. He explicitly stated that it is legal to do here in Idaho. Although I know that cars can be and are broken into in any and all areas, I don't live in a crappy area. I also don't always leave a gun in my car...just sometimes. I also would not be held legally liable in my state if my gun were stolen out of my locked car and used in a crime. I say this because I asked the cop who is in charge of the CC lic. board in my county. I know lots of people think that Idaho may be a backwards state...but I think it's one of the few states that still exhibits common sense as common...with the exception of my senator Larry Craig. (Boy, he's a real peach!) I'm not trying to offend anyone here, as I highly regard your opinions and input. I have checked my state regulations regarding this practice of leaving a gun in a locked car and I'm covered there. I do conceed that there is an important decision to be made on behalf of the individual regarding this choice...and like I said, I don't always leave it in the car. Besides, I don't think that I really have much moral liability there because it's parked in my garage overnight anyways. If someone's going to break into my garage to break into my car just to get a .38 spl. and use it to try to commit a crime against me or my family, I'm confident that I could put some buck shot in his hide before he could ever even get enter the house...since I would have heard him long before that point.

If we are going to push it to that extreme...what's the difference between that in just having it loaded in my night stand at night?...even if I'm out of town? There is liabilty in owning any firearm, no matter where you keep it. Some own safes and keep them all locked up all the time, others do what their dad's did and use the back corners of the closet for that...and other's are somewhere in between, using a safe for all but one or two that are kept out and accessible for the worse-case senario that we all hope never happens.
 
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My sign in name "idaho" pretty much gives away what state I'm in.

I just attended a CC class with a brother-in-law that just got his CC lic. and the policeman that was conducting the class said that he routinly keeps a few guns in his personal car....and leaves them there full time. He explicitly stated that it is legal to do here in Idaho. Although I know that cars can be and are broken into in any and all areas, I don't live in a crappy area. I also don't always leave a gun in my car...just sometimes. I also would not be held legally liable in my state if my gun were stolen out of my locked car and used in a crime.
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As much as I hate to bring it up,,, I believe that if you keep a gun in your car and it is stolen, Your are responsible in a way to contributing to a real issue, GUns in the hands of folks who shouldnt have them!!!!!!!!
Your fault.
Like leaving battery acid in a bowl around kids playing in the yard
That being said,,,, Sounds like a truck gut to me!
Peter.
 
isnt Gill still looking for his Glock takin from his car?
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Hi Idaho,

Nothing wrong with a car gun!

Zillions of folks across America do this, including yours truly when I'm traveling by car.

There are ways to secure it elsewhere when you must leave the car, and I'm sure you do and will.

Looks like a great gun for the purpose, and one you can trust your life to!

T.
 
Thanks for the input tom! I'm sorry if some folks here got offended and jumped to the conclusion that I was endangering the whole neighborhood with a car gun...but time to wake up guys...it's not some new, novel idea that I just came up with all by my lonesome. Like was stated previously, LOTS of people do this (including one of the cops in my city)...and yes, it is a perfectly legal practice in some states. Somehow this thread got turned into a soap box to preach to me how I'm doing things all wrong with gun safety. I mearly started it nicely asking some questions about my particular S&W revolver.
 
Idaho,
I might be more likely to go with something all stainless in your application? A car (even in it's interior) is subject to some pretty extreme swings of temperature and humidity while the steel box heats up. Not that plenty of blued K frames over the years haven't shot the ass out of a rat at 25 yards after being stored in a glove box? They just need some attention a bit more often to keep them singing along!
 
That's a very good point that I might need to consider. I live in Idaho and here we get all kinds of temp. variations in any given day. It's been warm enough in the day lately to not need much of a jacket at all but in the mornings it's already been below freezing a few times this last week. For this reason, I also thought about using my Glock for the car. I'm not a fan of plastic autos, and it's the only one I own, but they do have some advantages...and a Glock is one of the ONLY autos I'd trust my life to if I couldn't have a trusty quality revolver. Not much would happen to that gun if it was subjected to that kind of temp. flings. I'm basically trying to decide if I can use one I already own or if I should buy something different for the task. I do have a stainless revolver but it's a J frame 5 shot and the other's a .22lr. I'd prefer to have at least 6 shots and in .38 spl or 9 mm minimum. Maybe I'll need to keep an eye out at the next gun show while using one of these until then.
 
I have to agree that yours is a more "Gun Friendly" State than Washington but you might want to remember we also share a border and that once you cross that line you are subject to the Laws in this State. What you do at 'Home' may not be legal over here.

Last time I checked the State of Idaho didn't 'require' the use of "Turn Signals" but this State does and is can get you stopped on this side of the line. I'm not going to say it will happen but just that it can and it can because our Laws are different than yours. I'm also not saying your Laws are worse or better than ours, simply different and that difference can and does cause trouble for people from out of State. You're also required to abide by our "Carry" Laws while on this side of the line.

As for your 'Handle' well, mine could very easily be Texas but that doesn't mean it's where I live - it does mean that is where I was born. There is a place for your "Location" in your Profile but you have chosen to leave it blank and that is your choose!
 
You know guys, every time the "car gun" issue comes up you must remember that in many states there are lots of restrictions on where you can carry. Thus the decision we face is either leave-it-in-the-car or leave-it-at-home. Constructive comments would focus on HOW to leave it in the car, not why you shouldn't. Just my $0.02.
 
I'm 47. I've lived across the US plus several years in West Germany. I've driven and parked cars in all those places. And some of those cars were like VW Beetles and not hard to break into. And yet I've never had my car broken into. Not once. (Never had a home burglary either but that's a different thing.) IMO, it is more likely that I will need or want a gun while I'm driving my car than it is for my car to be broken into and my gun stolen. And, as others have mentioned, it is common in many places. Whenever I look at a parking lot full of cars in Oklahoma, I always wonder just how many guns are sitting there!

As far as "what gun," I've gone back and forth on this myself. If I'm driving the car, I've got my CCW gun at my waist. Either a S&W M296 .44 Special or an H&K P7M8. (I go back and forth depending on how I'm feeling about the weight of the gun that day!) In either case, that means I can handle the up close and personal threats already. A gun that is to be left in the car should be capable of doing more. Like a cop with a shotgun in the patrol car. Or a rifle in the trunk.

But that creates a possible legal problem in OK. Cops in OK will ask you if a rifle or shotgun is loaded. Maybe you will just get a warning but I don't like depending on the kindness of some random cop. Even a loaded magazine with a rifle can be considered "loaded." So much as I would like to have a rifle that just stays in my car, I'm not willing to take the legal risks. Recently a new "fun gun" has given me a new idea!

I had an AMD65 AK kit hanging around in my garage for a couple of years. Finally decided to build it as a pistol. Then I wouldn't have to worry about US parts or permanently making the barrel longer. Got an NKS pistol receiver. And a pistol rear trunnion which includes a quick detachable sling attachment point. The AMD 65 came with two 20 round mags but it can use any standard 7.62x39 mags.

Once it was built, I took it out in the pasture to try it out. I was impressed in spite of myself. I thought it was mostly just going to be a fun noisemaker. I fired the first 20 round magazine while holding it like it was still a rifle. Left hand on the forend. Using the sights. A rifle that is missing the buttstock, basically. I was blowing up every big rock I aimed at after a few tries. Actually a nice trigger pull. Be fun to try with a small red dot.

Then I put in a full 30 round mag. Went to an underarm tight to the hip grip. Started firing at the base of a tree about 30 yards away. (On a slope coming down towards me.) I couldn't resist firing the magazine as fast as possible. It was amazing how fast I could put 30 rounds downrange and all right there at the base of the tree. Not bump firing but deliberate pulls for each shot. Full auto would have been faster but not by very much!

So then I tried to figure out "what it was good for?" And the old car gun question came to mind. It avoids the problem in OK with a loaded rifle or shotgun since it is legally a handgun! So I can carry it with a fully loaded magazine in place and concealed in the car. Then it is covered by my OK CCW. But if I was engaging 2-3 idiots who were in a car or truck, I would have a heck of a lot better chance than with my little .44 snub! Gives me many of the advantages of a compact rifle but stays within the law.

Now I'm just trying to figure out what kind of case to put the whole thing in. I would like to carry it with a 20 round mag, empty chamber, safety on. Then one or two extra 30 round mags. A quick on/quick off red dot would be great.

Now that's a car gun!!!!

Gregg
 
The State of Kentucky recognizes the Right of the individual to openly carry a firearm.

Mine sits on the passenger seat. Usually it's a .38 Model 10.
 
Originally posted by pred:


As much as I hate to bring it up,,, I believe that if you keep a gun in your car and it is stolen, Your are responsible in a way to contributing to a real issue, GUns in the hands of folks who shouldnt have them!!!!!!!!
Your fault.
Like leaving battery acid in a bowl around kids playing in the yard
That being said,,,, Sounds like a truck gut to me!
Peter.
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How about if your gun is in your house and it's stolen? Or if it's in a lock box and it's stolen?

You should not feel responsible if your gun is stolen no matter where you keep it. It's not like you're laying in the hood, it's locked in your car.
 
Now this is more like it! We are getting some good conversation going here now! Keep it up guys. Sorry, but I'm not much of an AK kind of guy, but it does sound like it would be a good one to have if you had to hold off a full gang of bad guys from your car! KKG--I don't know what I did to offend you so deeply. We are all here to have fun and learn from one another...not get angry or defensive about trying to prove something. I'm not foolish enough to assume my state's CC laws are what goes in any other state. In order to even get a CC lic. in Idaho you have to know the basic rules for AT LEAST the bordering states. (ie, what you can and can't do in each of the bordering states as an Idaho resident and Idaho CC Lic. holder.) Obviously the liberal states on the west coast have different rules than does Idaho. Yes, it is absolutely my responsibility to know and abide by the laws in any other state I travel in if I choose to bring a gun. I don't think anyone here is going to argue over that.

I long for the days when seeing a shotgun, rifle and fishing rod in the back of every third or fourth pickup window hanging from a gun rack was the norm in Idaho. I think that kind of when out due to the theft factor. I am a firm believer in the idea behind the shotgun being the best self defense weapon. But as we all know, the hand gun has portability working for it and my shotgun is impossible to conceal in my car and still be within quick reach. I'm not too overly concerned with the extra 1/2 sec. it would take me to reach my gun in the glove box vs. the one on my hip. I actually think it would probably be faster to get the one in the glove box depending on what I'm wearing since my seat belt is kind of in the way when I carry on my person in the car. That's really my only big problem I have when carrying. What do you guys do to overcome the seat belt problem?
 
It's been several years since I have seen a gun in a gun rack in a truck around here. It used to be a common sight. And I'm only 37.
 
An alternative that I use, is a Kydex holster in a L/H variant. Fastened to the interior on the drivers side of the console center, near the right legs position while driving. If you purchase it to fit the gun you carry most, there's no need to use the glove box. And it's a Hell of a lot faster than having to lean over the seat (which is a dead give away move, BTW!)
 
Originally posted by Stophel: ...Mine sits on the passenger seat. Usually it's a .38 Model 10...
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What happens to "it" when you have to make an Emergency Stop or when somebody runs into you??? Just about as stupid as driving without seat belts!!!
 
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