Nation wide ccw permit

[BigBill]

Trump is calling for a nation wide ccw permit. I finally hope so.
Give us the freedom to carry anywhere, banks, federal buildings, movie theaters, anywhere. Do not limit the public's safety.

 

[Mainsail]

A nationwide permit, or the recognition of one state's permit by all the states? Very different beasts.

A nationwide permit would bring training requirements and possibly proficiency requirements. Such a permit would have to be administered at the federal level, and could be turned on or off at the whim of whatever political power is currently in charge through high fees or impossibly high proficiency or testing requirements.

Forced recognition of one state's permit or license by all the states would open a can of worms for law enforcement. I could carry concealed in NY City, while a resident of the city could not.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

A federal permit?

You mean that weuns in Tennessee will be under the thumb of such fine pro-gun folks like Schumer and Feinstein? No Thanks.

Being required to get a permit from my home state of Tennessee to exercise a Constitutional right is bad enough. Involving the feds is a step in the wrong direction no matter what the dangling carrot might be.

 

[Ransom]

National reciprocity would be the ticket.

 

[SMSgt]

Forced recognition of one state's permit or license by all the states would open a can of worms for law enforcement. I could carry concealed in NY City, while a resident of the city could not.

I guess you better not drive across state lines without having multiple DLs in your possession then. After all, a license is a license...

 

[RJJ 1971]

Like to see requirements for federal permit?
Personally think it won't work - too much red tape for individual states/counties/cities to recognize and adhere to.

 

[Kifaru]

I think that many of the people beating the drum of "universal background checks" haven't considered this possibility. If it is universal on a federal level and ignores state's rights, then it's universal on a federal level and ignores state's rights. There would be no reason to limit the purchase of handguns to the purchaser's home state. If they then decide to make the background check more thorough, say like the check needed to obtain a CCW, this could then open the door to federal CCW. Getting around this logical progression would require too much "Constitutional contortionism" to be safe from legal challenge. I'm not sure the background-check crowd could figure a way out of this possibility. Not the way the constitution stands now, at any rate.

 

[ladder13]

National permit, NO

Reciprocity, YES

 

[Mainsail]

I guess you better not drive across state lines without having multiple DLs in your possession then. After all, a license is a license...

I’m not a fan of the driver’s license analogy, as driving on public roads is not a right guaranteed by the Constitution. If I understand what you’re saying correctly, you believe that states like NY could/should/would be compelled to honor my state’s (WA) concealed pistol license (CPL), much like NY must allow me to drive on their roads with my WA driver’s license.

My problem with such an analogy is that ALL states have pretty much the same requirements for one to become a licensed driver- a written test, eye exam, and road test. There are slight variations in the initial issuance of the license, and maybe a little more divergence in renewal requirements, but all in all, they are close enough for government work.

This is not so with concealed licenses and permits. Even that very sentence reveals a wide gulf between the constraints of the various States- we have a concealed pistol license here in WA, other states have pistol permits, some have concealed weapons permits, some require a separate license just to buy a handgun, and one or two actually list the gun or guns that one may carry with the permit or license. Note that my CPL does not allow me to conceal a fixed blade knife- it is currently held to be illegal to do so despite what our state constitution says- someone needs to step up and get arrested so that it can be challenged. Some states that issue a CCW (w for weapon) allow you to conceal almost anything.

Additionally, a few states don’t require any permission slip whatsoever to conceal (in line with the 2nd Amendment), some states like WA have no training or proficiency requirements to obtain a CPL (closer to the intent of the 2nd) while other states have one or both. Some states have pretty draconian hoops through which one must jump to get permission to carry a concealed handgun (Far from the intent of the 2nd).

Nationwide concealed carry permit OR compelled recognition? Each has its own problems.

 

[senecaap]

It is tough for me, at this point, to make any argument for or against. The rule of law, precedent, the Constitution in whole and the 10th Amendment in particular have been so warped by this President, Supreme Court and Senate (I'm looking at you and your "It's a treaty/it's not a treaty" deal Sen. Corker) that there is no clear legal rational anymore. Contradictory law and procedure is now precedent. I cannot seriously argue that a CCW, a marriage license and a drivers license are or are not like each other. Really the only precedent I can clearly see is that, while all of these are State issues, if the Federal government decided someone needs one that does not qualify under state rules for one, it can force the state/states to issue one.

I will say, if the Federal government did ever issue a National Permit, the amount of scrutiny and intrusion into your personal life to obtain one would probably be more than most were willing to accept.

 

[OKFC05]

I guess you better not drive across state lines without having multiple DLs in your possession then. After all, a license is a license...

There is no Federal law mandating DL recognition or designating a Federal DL. The states figured out the current system all by themselves 100 years ago. Amazing isn't it? Too bad some states will not give "full faith and credit" to carry licenses.

 

[hkcavalier]

Since I'm kind of a pessimist, let me take a crack.

Trump gets elected (I think he has a snowball's chance in a pottery kiln of doing so, but...). Announces his national CCW plan:

1. Get a permit for a fee that needs to be paid yearly.
2. Must get instruction via some agency...for a fee, of course.
3. Register any and all carried weapons with the federal government. Felony for carrying a non-registered gun (even with a CCW permit).

Sound about right?

 

[DD357]

National constitutional carry for all.

 

[jr235]

Nation wide ccw permit??

Sounds nice?? BUT!! You can't trust the Federal Government on this one. People control the states, government control the Nation! Sooner or later they will screw it up.

 

[KSDeputy]

A LEOSA permit, is a nationwide carry permit, subject to all laws where you are carrying.

 

[Moe Mentum]

Well, permit or not, at least we have a candidate that is PRO gun for a change....

 

[Bill Bates]

This is from Trumps website and statement. It sounds to me he is talking about national reciprocity not a national permit. Why else compare carry to driving and a drivers licenses.

"NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY. The right of self-defense doesn’t stop at the end of your driveway. That’s why I have a concealed carry permit and why tens of millions of Americans do too. That permit should be valid in all 50 states. A driver’s license works in every state, so it’s common sense that a concealed carry permit should work in every state. If we can do that for driving – which is a privilege, not a right – then surely we can do that for concealed carry, which is a right, not a privilege."

 

[tattooo]

That would be amazing to see....

 

[hkcavalier]

This is from Trumps website and statement. It sounds to me he is talking about national reciprocity not a national permit. Why else compare carry to driving and a drivers licenses.

"NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY. The right of self-defense doesn’t stop at the end of your driveway. That’s why I have a concealed carry permit and why tens of millions of Americans do too. That permit should be valid in all 50 states. A driver’s license works in every state, so it’s common sense that a concealed carry permit should work in every state. If we can do that for driving – which is a privilege, not a right – then surely we can do that for concealed carry, which is a right, not a privilege."

Do you see NYC or Washington D.C. going along with this? They will invent some way to make it impossible for Joe Blow with a state permit to waltz in with a CC weapon.

 

[Tom_R]

Not gonna happen in our life times.