NC may finally eliminate Pistol Purchase Permit

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The NC Sheriffs' Association has finally agreed that the Pistol Permit system where Sheriffs have to issue a permit has outlived its usefulness.

The NC General Assembly (legislature) is considering the bill today and it may be voted on soon.

I would ask all NC gun owners to contact their legislators and help remove this onerous requirement.

The usual suspects (Bloomberg sycophants) are trying to keep the system and are pulling out all the stops to lobby against the change.

Thanks in advance for your assistance in this matter.
 
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No way in hell that bill will ever pass. Unfortunately.

Much as I hate to agree, that's my feeling, too.

Of course, if you have an NC CWP, you don't need to get a permit to buy every time a nice one shows up at the LGS, and there's no limits on how many you can buy.
 
Can remember many years ago when stationed in NC, the the Sheriff's Permit was where it was at. I was surprised when I asked to see a revolver in the case, and the dealer asked to see my permit. Being that I was from Florida, I asked what was that. He proceeded to inform me of the local laws. Was an eye opening experience.
 
AJ, yea, that N.C. law ruins most chances of out of staters finding a pistol/ revolver to have transferred to their state. Have quit looking in gun shops, pawn shops in N.C..
 
There is no law ( and if there is no one cares) that requires a permit to “look” at anything. Only one of about 30 or so shops I’ve been in asked to see a permit, Mackeys Landing.

Much ado bout nuthin’.
 
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From what I've heard the entire NC Pistol Permit law came into being as a 'Jim Crow' policy, so that the High Sheriff could easily accept or deny a 'request' for a purchase permit.

For years, the NC Sheriff's Assn. has refused to budge on suggestions to eliminate the purchase permit and move into the 21st century.

Hope to see progress made on it.

Funny - for years, I had a purchase permit from the rural NC county where I lived. It had no file number on it, no seal, just a stamped signature of the Sheriff. I made many copies of that and used them for purchase long before I had a CHL.
 
There is no law ( and if there is no one cares) that requires a permit to “look” at anything. Only one of about 30 or so shops I’ve been in asked to see a permit, Mackeys Landing.

Much ado bout nuthin’.

You must live in a different NC than I do. I’ve had a concealed handgun permit pretty much the whole time I’ve been here (12 years or so), and that particular requirement has thus never affected me personally, I have witnessed all the shops in the area stating customers need a CHP or a purchase permit before they can look at a handgun.

Now to be fair, I’m a regular in most shops in the area, they know me and they know I have a CHP and conceal carry and as such I have not been asked to produce a permit before looking at a handgun in at least a decade. You may fall in the same category, just not at Mackeys.

This is the clause in the NC law that makes it a requirement:

“Further, it is unlawful for any person to receive from any postmaster, postal clerk, employee in the parcel post department, rural mail carrier, express agent or employee, or railroad agent or employee, within the State of North Carolina, any pistol without having in his/her possession, such a pistol purchase permit or North Carolina concealed carry permit.”

In this case the “receive” is defined as and extends to an employee handing one to a customer to look at.

It’s a good idea to read the law. It applies to gifted and inherited firearms as well where a purchase permit is required to be retained or a CHP is required to be referenced on a bill of sale by the donor or executor of the estate.

http://https://ncdoj.gov/ncja/download/102/firearms/17352/north-carolina-firearms-laws.pdf

The background check for the purchase permit does nothing more than is accomplished by a NICS check except requiring a visit to the SOS office and a $5 fee per permit. Sheriff’s offices do check with the two state mental hospitals for involuntary commitments, but those commitments should already be reported to the federal data base.

In that regard it is a law well worth getting rid of - provided a NICS check is completed prior to any private sale or transfer.

The ATF has made that more of a pain with the recent iterations of their Form 4473 by moving the old section D up front, which effectively requires the FFL to log the firearm in, do the NICS check and then log it back out of the book. That makes it a lot more work and eliminates the potential to do it for a nominal fee.

I’d like to see a NICS check offered as a no cost or low cost service (no more than $5) by local PDs and SOs as part of any federal requirement for a NICS check on private sales and transfers. It should not cost people $25-$50 to transfer a firearm to a friend or relative.
 
From what I've heard the entire NC Pistol Permit law came into being as a 'Jim Crow' policy, so that the High Sheriff could easily accept or deny a 'request' for a purchase permit.

For years, the NC Sheriff's Assn. has refused to budge on suggestions to eliminate the purchase permit and move into the 21st century.

Hope to see progress made on it./...
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I agree. It provided a basis for denial to allow blacks to purchase a handgun and accomplished little else.

The CHP process in NC however performs a similar function. The training required is not available from the state at no or nominal cost. Between the training the $75 max permit fee and the potential fingerprint fees, an NC CHP costs at least $155 and can cost over $200 in some areas. There’s also the requirement to appear in person for an interview in some counties prior to a renewal. For that pain in the butt to schedule and go in to the SOs office, I have never had an actual interview - I just go in and they hand me a new permit.

Hopefully that’s how it goes for blacks and Hispanics but it’s another Jim Crow era practice that needs to be done away with.
 
Our Current Governor

Will probably not sign this if it were to pass. He's a big believer in the pistol permit. In NC a permit must be obtained from the Sheriff by the buyer or transferee before they can recieve a handgun. The Sheriff attests to the transferee's "good moral chacter". Just a way for a local elected official to deny someone their Constitutional right. No ok from the county sheriff? No pistol. The Sheriff can also sit on a CHP application that returns approved from the State as long as you let him get away with it. Even though we are a shall issue state. Sheriffs dont like to be told what to do. He can also charge 3 times more for the purchase permit than is mandated by state statue. Where does the extra 15.00 go?
 
He can also charge 3 times more for the purchase permit than is mandated by state statue. Where does the extra 15.00 go?


Why don't you ask the sheriff? Or the governor. Or move to another state that doesn't allow you to carry a gun.
 
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