Need assistance with research of concealed carry tragedy.

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Back in 2008 I believe, there was a story in the news of a grandmother that went grocery shopping with her small grandchild. She put her purse containing her concealed handgun in the cart, and while she was distracted, the grandchild reached into the purse, got the gun and shot itself to death. I have tried and tried to find an article on the web about this, but I cannot locate it. It seems to me that it happened on the East coast of the U.S. Can anyone remember more about this story, or provide me with a link to it?

Your assistance will be greatly appreciated.
 
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Oh gosh. I can say with pride that I'm a heartless ***. I'm very sarcastic with a twisted sense of humor......but this? A 4 year old? Just isn't right regardless of ........

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I am TOTALLY AGAINST any and all off-body carrying of a concealed weapon. Even for women I don't like the purse carry, brief case carry, automobile carry, etc. IMHO these methods are an accident waiting to happen!

We are all human and if you carry long enough with these off-body carry methods it's only a question of time before the item gets stolen, left behind, gone through by a kid, misplaced, etc. I'll go so far as to say that if you can't carry on your person - don't carry at all. I know some of you will disagree, but that's just my personal opinion.

Not to mention that off body carry is slow, obvious and might be taken away from you when you most need it.

These days there are so many variations of accepted dress (even for women) there really isn't a legitimate excuse to stuff a loaded gun into a case, car, purse, etc.
 
All you say is true, but sometimes there is no other option.

Yesterday, I had to go by the post office. Rather than commit a federal felony, I removed my Model 37 from my pocket and left it in the truck. By your lights, I should have gone unarmed all day rather than leaving my gun in the truck for five minutes.

Never say "Never."
 
My wife is in the process of getting her CPL and she is looking at this method of carry. I am with chief38-not a fan of off-body carry. Maybe this article will help me gently persuade her otherwise. Thanks for the post!
 
redlevel said:
All you say is true, but sometimes there is no other option.

Yesterday, I had to go by the post office. Rather than commit a federal felony, I removed my Model 37 from my pocket and left it in the truck. By your lights, I should have gone unarmed all day rather than leaving my gun in the truck for five minutes.

Never say "Never."
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I can not tell you what to do and we all must make choices, all I can say is that I know of several fellow Gun Club members that have done exactly what you do and their guns were stolen - they lost their Pistol Permits, and their entire collections were taken from them. One of them is a Doctor who went into a Hospital for a few minutes to collect his pay check on the way to a shooting Range - guess what......... they were GONE when he returned! We all have to make choices, mine is to NEVER leave a gun anywhere but in my holster when I am out. Where I live they will hold you personally responsible if there is a crime or shooting committed with your gun!

Sometimes we have to make the morally right choice even if it's not the popular one.
 
chief38 said:
Sometimes we have to make the morally right choice even if it's not the popular one.
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He made not a "popular" choice but the one required by federal law. The one that assured he would not be subject to felony charges.

Feel free to do what you want, but I'm one of those damned old law-abiding gun-carriers. If that is immoral, so be it.

Sorry, folks, I said I'd only post if I felt strongly about something. I feel strongly about being a reasonably legal citizen. If nothing else it gives the antis less to fulminate about.

Exit, stage right.
 
chief38 said:
I can not tell you what to do and we all must make choices, all I can say is that I know of several fellow Gun Club members that have done exactly what you do and their guns were stolen - they lost their Pistol Permits, and their entire collections were taken from them. One of them is a Doctor who went into a Hospital for a few minutes to collect his pay check on the way to a shooting Range - guess what......... they were GONE when he returned! We all have to make choices, mine is to NEVER leave a gun anywhere but in my holster when I am out. Where I live they will hold you personally responsible if there is a crime or shooting committed with your gun!

Sometimes we have to make the morally right choice even if it's not the popular one.
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Boy a lot to digest there. Where are you speaking of? Robbed and robbed again by the government for being robbed. Were the guns out of sight? Were they locked up?
 
There's a difference between "securing your handgun off your person" and "off body carry".Pouch, purse, backpack as opposed to securing your weapon in the courthouse or PD when you go in, locking it in a safe in a car. For example, I just can't carry my Mossberg and AR 15 with me. Sometimes(usually) they're in the trunk locked or in the lockup in the F150.
 
chief38 said:
I am TOTALLY AGAINST any and all off-body carrying of a concealed weapon. Even for women I don't like the purse carry, brief case carry, automobile carry, etc. IMHO these methods are an accident waiting to happen!

We are all human and if you carry long enough with these off-body carry methods it's only a question of time before the item gets stolen, left behind, gone through by a kid, misplaced, etc. I'll go so far as to say that if you can't carry on your person - don't carry at all. I know some of you will disagree, but that's just my personal opinion.

Not to mention that off body carry is slow, obvious and might be taken away from you when you most need it.

These days there are so many variations of accepted dress (even for women) there really isn't a legitimate excuse to stuff a loaded gun into a case, car, purse, etc.
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This is the exact same argument that I gave on another forum. I had related the story of the article in my argument, and was challenged on it, so I had to have the link to the article to prove that what I had reported was true. My one inaccuracy was reporting that the child had died, which apparently, it did not--but it could have.

It amazes me how much disagreement this subject creates among gun owners.
 
shouldazagged said:
He made not a "popular" choice but the one required by federal law. The one that assured he would not be subject to felony charges.

Feel free to do what you want, but I'm one of those damned old law-abiding gun-carriers. If that is immoral, so be it.

Sorry, folks, I said I'd only post if I felt strongly about something. I feel strongly about being a reasonably legal citizen. If nothing else it gives the antis less to fulminate about.

Exit, stage right.
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For a U.S. citizen, there is nothing "reasonable" about being required to leave your means of personal protection and sign of freedom outside in order to retrieve your mail from the U.S. post office. It might be "reasonable" for a slave to have to do so, but not for a free citizen.

It galls me how a nation that was founded on Liberty has outlawed the right to keep and bear arms, a right that is listed in it's own constitution, in federal buildings. How the heck did that happen?! Federal property should be the LAST place that constitutional rights are abridged!!! :mad:
 
Goodtime Charlie said:
For a U.S. citizen, there is nothing "reasonable" about being required to leave your means of personal protection and sign of freedom outside in order to retrieve your mail from the U.S. post office. It might be "reasonable" for a slave to have to do so, but not for a free citizen.

It galls me how a nation that was founded on Liberty has outlawed the right to keep and bear arms, a right that is listed in it's own constitution, in federal buildings. How the heck did that happen?! Federal property should be the LAST place that constitutional rights are abridged!!! :mad:
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OK, then, you just strap that piece on, visible to God and everybody else, and march on into the post office next time you go.

You missed the point of my post, as well as the point shouldazagged was making when he used the term "reasonable."

I certainly don't think it is "reasonable" to subject myself to the legal nightmares of committing a federal felony.

chief38, in my jurisdiction, victims of crimes are not generally held responsible for the crimes committed against them. If someone steals my gun, whether from my vehicle or my house, and robs a filling station, it is all on him, not on me. If that isn't the case where you live, I suggest you move. Where I live, one can safely assume that every pickup truck and most passenger cars parked on the street have at least one, and probably multiple firearms contained within. Down here, we are pretty much an armed society.
 
So, if a liquor store clerk or a bar tender sells alcohol to someone, that someone uses the alcohol as legally intended (i.e., drinks it), then drives down the road and kills someone the liquor store clerk or bar tender should be held accountable.

Same reasoning if someone steals your gun and uses it in a crime if you asked me.
 
Oh brother... glad I live in Tennessee.

For permit holders it is legal to leave a gun(s) in your vehicle as long as "kept from ordinary observation and locked within the trunk, glove box, or interior of the person's vehicle or a container securely affixed to the vehicle if the person is not in the vehicle."

The NRA, the number one gun safety organization on planet Earth, supports this, as they should.
 
Hm, my reply disappeared before I posted it.

I have seen an O/C pistol on a man in the PO, not a local LEO I know, no badge. Not a choice I recommend, but also not something likely to cause a lot of bloomer bunching around here.

Off body carry has many potential flaws. That grandmother's choice of a purse carry was a fail in many ways. (Purses get stolen in stores, and I see complacent behavior of such type regularly.) In addition, the options and choices that are ok for me would be radically changed if we had kids. On those rare times I am visiting family who have kids, if my guns are not on me, they are locked away in my suitcase.

I suspect chief38 is in one of the states like NY/NJ/CA that has odd rules and such outcomes like what happened to the doctor would not be typical in most other places. However, I also use my trunk when transporting firearms for reasons not related to carrying them.
 
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