Need help ID-ing these . . .

[NFrameFred]

I procured a small quantity of these from the stock of things from a friend who passed away and wondered if anyone could shed some light on exactly what I have here . . . . . .

weight = 53 grains and they mic at .224; they do not respond at all to a strong magnet. Haven't sectioned one but they appear solid and not plated (near as I can tell, a 'scratch' test reveals no copper or other obvious base metal).
Obviously for 5.56 or 22-250 or the like (I imagine) but I'm not familiar with the little "button" base and would like to know what they're made of.



Anyone with a clue ?

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

Looks like a home swaged bullet to me, and probably from a casting.

I have been wrong before.

Ivan

 

[armprairie]

Did they scratch easily? They look similiar to a bullet Lapua used to make. If swaged they of course would be very soft.

 

[NFrameFred]

No, they're not swaged lead; in fact they're fairly hard. I don't have a tester but I don't think they are just lead. . .


They don't scratch like any lead I've ever used/seen - I've used some really hard cast pills but nothing like this

 

[twodog max]

I am probably wrong but looking at the picture I keep thinking I saw something like those bullets that were supposed to be shot in a sabot. This was from years ago when Remington made a similar product.
?????

 

[Narragansett]

If you are not satisfied with the answers you get here, send a pic via email to Speer and ask them if they know, or another bullet manufacturer. It is nothing I have ever seen before.

 

[NFrameFred]

I am probably wrong but looking at the picture I keep thinking I saw something like those bullets that were supposed to be shot in a sabot. This was from years ago when Remington made a similar product.
?????

Had not occurred to me - that may very well be. I'll probably section one and put a torch to it later just to satisfy my curiosity - thanks

 

[mikld]

Really foggy memory, but, I remember seeing some bullets with that type of base advertised as match bullets. Might have been in a magazine as I think it was pre-web.

 

[Just another 22 shooter]

James Calhoon custom varmint bullets.
Calhoon Bullet Features
I shot a few of these back when I was shooting ground squirrels and prairie dogs regularly. pretty accurate and very deadly (explosive) on small vermin.
Looks like they no longer make this weight of bullet.
But it looks like they have a 52 grain:
"NEW!! 52gr RBT DBL HP By popular demand, the old large hollow point 52s are back! Due to Fred's incessant belly-aching, we are forced to bring back the 52gr "Bubble Butt". Not great BC's, but you can't beat the launching, elevation and "helicopters"! Suggested maximum: 3600 ft/sec."

 

[NFrameFred]

James Calhoon custom varmint bullets.
Calhoon Bullet Features
I shot a few of these back when I was shooting ground squirrels and prairie dogs regularly. pretty accurate and very deadly (explosive) on small vermin.
Looks like they no longer make this weight of bullet.
But it looks like they have a 52 grain:
"NEW!! 52gr RBT DBL HP By popular demand, the old large hollow point 52s are back! Due to Fred's incessant belly-aching, we are forced to bring back the 52gr "Bubble Butt". Not great BC's, but you can't beat the launching, elevation and "helicopters"! Suggested maximum: 3600 ft/sec."

Bingo ! That seems to fill the bill - appreciate it - Thanks !

 

[lihpster]

Just for info purposes, I believe the Remington product was called the Accelerator. I think it was only available in a couple of .30 caliber cartridges. .22 pill in a .30 sabot.

 

[SMSgt]

Just for info purposes, I believe the Remington product was called the Accelerator. I think it was only available in a couple of .30 caliber cartridges. .22 pill in a .30 sabot.

I had a couple boxes of those in 30-06. They were nuclear on rock chucks but too expensive to shoot many.

 

[jem102]

I believe the jacket material is Cupronickle. Sierra used this on some of their 6.5 Match Kings at one time.

 

[NFrameFred]

I believe the jacket material is Cupronickle. Sierra used this on some of their 6.5 Match Kings at one time.

Probably not quite accurate. Cupronickel was used on WW1 era cartridges and produced significant fowling, that's why they went on to something else. They are metallic and probably at least a partial nickel compound, but I doubt they are what was known as 'cupronickel'.

 

[Skeet 028]

Just for info purposes, I believe the Remington product was called the Accelerator. I think it was only available in a couple of .30 caliber cartridges. .22 pill in a .30 sabot.

Available in 30-30, 308 and 30-06. They were not the most accurate rounds. I still have a few but no full boxes. Trying to clean out stuff in the grudge(still) and saw some in a batch of rounds and brass miiiiixed. Looking for some 35 Rem brass for a friend...so far found everything but 35

 

[Nemo288]

According to the Calhoon website:

""SLICK-SILVERTM" coating is electrochemically applied to the outside of the bullet to provide an ultra slippery bore lubricant which reduces fouling and makes barrel cleaning easier. Cleans with regular bore cleaners."

Electroplating usually works best with a single element.
Knowing that I would guess the plating is pure tin, zinc, or nickel.
Tin is the softest of those and nickel the hardest.
Aluminum might be a candidate also but it's oxide coating is abrasive.
I have always thought without much evidence that the Winchester Silvertips (at least the 44 specials)
were aluminum plated or pressed just because the way they look.

Hardnesses of the elements (data page - Wikipedia)