Hello I have a cannon 64 gun safe at the moment and well it decided this last weekend to not let me in. It has an electronic lock and I want to get away from that. I live in a rural area and not a lot of lock smiths. I called cannon and they said it will have to be drilled and they will not pay for the service. They will send me parts. The safe is 3yrs old. I looked a the gun store close to me and they have a liberty Lincoln safe I really like. Its pricy at the moment for me and was curious your thoughts on the liberty and about financing one? Thanks
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Did you try putting in a new battery?
3 different ones wven called cann with no luck.
oneounceload
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Might be cheaper to have a locksmith come out and replace your electrmonic one with a manual.
I have a National Security - was independent - now a top of the line from Liberty with a manual dial. They aren't foolproof either. As parts wear just a little, you'll find the right numbers might "walk" one digit either way, making for some frustrating moments when you consider how many new combinations that could entail. That said, I'll never opt for an electrmonic lock of ANY type for something involving security.
I have a National Security - was independent - now a top of the line from Liberty with a manual dial. They aren't foolproof either. As parts wear just a little, you'll find the right numbers might "walk" one digit either way, making for some frustrating moments when you consider how many new combinations that could entail. That said, I'll never opt for an electrmonic lock of ANY type for something involving security.
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You could talk to the Liberty Safe guy and see if he will drill your current safe as "a courtesy" IF you buy a new Liberty from him since he will be there to deliver it anyway.
Maybe he can even buy it from you.
Liberty Safes are very high quality - - have one for years now and am happy. I would stay away from the Digital Locks and get a manual one - but would guess you already figured that one out.
Maybe he can even buy it from you.
Liberty Safes are very high quality - - have one for years now and am happy. I would stay away from the Digital Locks and get a manual one - but would guess you already figured that one out.
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ANOTHER OPTION:
Talk to Cannon Safes and ask them if you cut a square out in one of the sides how you can open the safe. If you can get it opened then replace the lock with a mechanical one and have the side you cut welded and re-painted. Use an Angle Grinder or Dremel and it will easily cut the side metal. PS, the weld will be stronger than the metal is so other than being a bit ugly (depending on your grinding & painting skills), it would function just fine.
Talk to Cannon Safes and ask them if you cut a square out in one of the sides how you can open the safe. If you can get it opened then replace the lock with a mechanical one and have the side you cut welded and re-painted. Use an Angle Grinder or Dremel and it will easily cut the side metal. PS, the weld will be stronger than the metal is so other than being a bit ugly (depending on your grinding & painting skills), it would function just fine.
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Cannon will ship you a brand new lock with all the mounting hardware. They'll also locate the closest, factory authorized safe technician to professionally open the safe.
Your least expensive option would be to coordinate one service call for the safe opening and new lock installation "after" you have received the new parts from Cannon. This way everything can be professionally done/installed by the technician with one appointment.
Your Cannon will be back up and running with a brand new electronic lock with warranty. This will cost nowhere near the expense of financing a new safe. My guess is if all the work is done on a single service call appointment, your cost will be somewhere between $250.00 to $500.00. I certainly wouldn't discard a 64 Gun Cannon Safe for that dollar amount.
I've owned both electronic and dial. Neither is trouble free forever.
Good Luck
Your least expensive option would be to coordinate one service call for the safe opening and new lock installation "after" you have received the new parts from Cannon. This way everything can be professionally done/installed by the technician with one appointment.
Your Cannon will be back up and running with a brand new electronic lock with warranty. This will cost nowhere near the expense of financing a new safe. My guess is if all the work is done on a single service call appointment, your cost will be somewhere between $250.00 to $500.00. I certainly wouldn't discard a 64 Gun Cannon Safe for that dollar amount.
I've owned both electronic and dial. Neither is trouble free forever.
Good Luck
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I have a Liberty Lincoln 50 and it is hands down, the best investment I have ever made for my firearms.
IN MY OPINION, it is the nicest and best made safe (residential security container) on the market.
Their videos seem to indicate they do a good bit of research and testing on the products.
I am not familiar with their imported "value" line of safes, but the Lincoln line is top notch in my book.
IN MY OPINION, it is the nicest and best made safe (residential security container) on the market.
Their videos seem to indicate they do a good bit of research and testing on the products.
I am not familiar with their imported "value" line of safes, but the Lincoln line is top notch in my book.
Not doubting what Cannon told you but ...... well, that just doesn't seem logical to me. Regardless, if you can't get someone to put in a good old "rotary dial" lock, I'd give a huge thumbs up to Liberty.
I've got a Liberty and several friends do too. Not a bad thing to say about their quality or service.
I've got a Liberty and several friends do too. Not a bad thing to say about their quality or service.
That's bad when an expensive safe has a big problem after only 3 years, its not like they're that complicated.
I am a locksmith.
Have the safe drilled open by a professional. Then have them install a rotary safe lock. It will be expensive but it will cost less than a new safe.
I've said many times how I hate digital safe locks. This why. They are made in China. A rotary dial lock will last many years with no problems and may need occasional maintenance.
Do not cut a hole in the safe. It won't help.
The batteries MUST be Duracell or Energizer. All others are not strong enough.
One more thought. Check the reputation of the locksmith you call. Scam locksmiths are a major problem throughout the country.
Hire someone that knows what they're doing. If they have the right equipment the digital lock can be "spiked" open. But this takes special equipment which is not cheap.
Make sure to ask for a complete price before they come out. They don't need to come out and look at it. If they say they do, hang up and find another. This job can and should be quoted over the phone with an upfront estimate. Ask for the drill open price, new lock, and labor.
Hire someone that knows what they're doing. If they have the right equipment the digital lock can be "spiked" open. But this takes special equipment which is not cheap.
Make sure to ask for a complete price before they come out. They don't need to come out and look at it. If they say they do, hang up and find another. This job can and should be quoted over the phone with an upfront estimate. Ask for the drill open price, new lock, and labor.
I understand cheaper just fixing the cannon safe. I think i got my 3 years money worth out of it. Cannon told me they dont retrofit the dial lock on the safe i have just the electronic. I live in a part where locksmiths dont really mess with safes. My thinking is just now buy once and cry once. If i had a few guns i could see spending 500$ on the cannon and move on but that isnt my case. I have multiple guns totaling tens of thousands of dollars. I really wanted to know if the liberty is worth it and yes it will have the manual dial. No electronic locks i wont do that. The cannon will be cut open and i will pit it in my shop to hold zip ties or something. Thanks for the responses
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I have had a Liberty Fat Boy for 5 years & LOVE it! Manual dial for me,
because like many others who have posted, I don't trust the electronic locks.
because like many others who have posted, I don't trust the electronic locks.
I had been a dealer for National Security Safes who was also the licensed Smith & Wesson Safe manufacturer (same safe, different die cut gold lettering on the door for an additional 10% over the price of the NSS exact same model).
Although I stopped dealing NSS Safes after they sold out (and the safes got cheaper looking and had spatter paint instead of fine finishes), I stopped dealing NSS and S&W safes completely. That as 20 years ago (appx) but continued to service NSS safes in South Florida. Not much goes wrong with them. But enough of that, you have a Canon so the emphasis is on the manufacturer of the locking mechanism.
I still buy the original NSS Safes when they pop up for sale. Outstanding quality.
What is the name brand of your electronic lock. Is it as S&G (Sargent & Greenleaf) or other. If S&G, they are very sensitive to the batteries. Check first to see that the contacts are not corroded. If you had some acid leakage it might take some time and specific tools to clean the internal contact but well worth it. Use only a brand, BRAND new, Duracell battery and try again.
if your digital dial combination lock is banged, booger or hacked ... or ... you have already tried to remove it, the process I mention will likely NOT work.
If it is NOT a S&G, try the same process of changing the battery as described above anyway.
I stress a BRAND NEW DURACELL battery. Let me know how that works for you.
If you "MUST" cut it open, the bottom floor plate will likely be the easiest to cut open. Most likely an automotive grade panel cutter on an air chisel should work fine. After that the rear wall is likely the next thinnest or just as thin as the floor plate.
If the air chisel is not getting it for you, Drill a large enough start hole then use a fine toothed blade (specified cutting steel) on a Milwaukee Sawzall (or other brand of same machine, Milwaukee Sawzall was, to this type of saw, as Xerox was to "copier").
Avoid torches !! ESPECIALLY if safe is had material lining and insulation.
If you must use anything heated, be aware that the interior, even if asbestos composite, could burn through and damage the contents. If you decide you need to cut with a torch (as all else has failed) go to the best welder or auto body shop in town to have him use his plasma cutter on the bottom floor plate or rear wall of the safe. Plasma cutter makes a very clean cut with concentrated energy and very little spark in the hands of an experienced operator.
hope that helps.
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I did a lot of research before I bought my last safe. This video contains a lot of info about those department store Canon safes and is one reason I bought a Fort Knox. Also, my safe has both the electronic keypad and dial for back up.
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Yes Liberty is worth the money. I have the Franklin 35 with rotary dial. Had it delivered and installed. Worth every penny.
If you must cut open the Cannon, I would cut around the door on the safe itself.
This Cannon that is causing trouble... it is locked up tight right now with no way to enter?
Assuming this is chock full of prized guns, I'm thinking you need to be careful with the contents so that they don't get damaged. Cutting in to the BOTTOM of the safe seems impossible without crashing every single firearm in to every other single firearm.
Assuming this is chock full of prized guns, I'm thinking you need to be careful with the contents so that they don't get damaged. Cutting in to the BOTTOM of the safe seems impossible without crashing every single firearm in to every other single firearm.
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